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Re: Progressive Christianity
« Reply #25 on: March 26, 2017, 11:54:03 PM »
Vlad,

So's flat earth-ism.

It gets weirder though. Can you believe that some people actually think they're "in a relationship" with him?

I know, I know - I'm not making that up, I promise.
Also he magicked water into wine, a few loaves and fishes into dinner for five thousand and made a dead person come alive again. And the people that believe all this have the temerity to tell us that leprechaunism is ridiculous.
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Re: Progressive Christianity
« Reply #26 on: March 27, 2017, 05:20:10 AM »
Read my signature below.

Your signature is more offensive than the idea of progressive Christanity.

You see Protestants took away all the bad bits which God hated in the Roman Catholic Church like trying to take his place as God as if absent
and oppressing the poor and putting yokes on the believers.
They tried to take back control over the people once the Romans lost control over their own empire.

The truth is there is more Christians like Christ in the protestant church than in the Roman Catholic Church who made their own rules up and tried to force them onto others.  There is nothing Christ-like about the Roman Catholic Church and the Church of God has never been a part of it,

Christ said " Love thy neighbour not torture them or frighten them into submission.  Your signature will not be found in any of Gods teachings or those of Christs. Just as the truth shows that more than any religion calling themselves Christians...the Roman Catholics have the largest number of deserters who become atheists than any other Christian religion.

Time to come to your senses. The Roman Catholic Church is not and never has been the true church of God and Christ.

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Re: Progressive Christianity
« Reply #27 on: March 27, 2017, 05:38:30 AM »
Link here to an interesting article.

The writer says that "progressive Christianity" will lead to the downfall of Christian beliefs.

By the phrase is meant; the diversity of interpretations of beliefs especially as they bend to encompass new historical and scientific findings. 

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/atheology/2017/03/can-progressive-christianity-save-cure-christianity/?utm_source=[!]%20Newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=NL%20Nonreligious&utm_content=14395
Progressive Christianity isn't the Christianity of Christ.
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For example: trying to defend the Bible’s stance on homosexuality. Yes, it’s true that Jesus did not condemn it. Yes, only six verses explicitly mention same-sex relations. But there’s no getting around the fact that the Bible calls it “an abomination,” just as there’s no getting around Paul telling wives they need to be submissive to their husbands.

Homosexuality was considered such a terrible sin that they would not even talk about it. As Christ obeyed the whole law he would not have been able not to condemn it. But the law is clear that some sin lead to being put to death immediately and some didn't.  Hence that would be the sin you could not pray about for someone and adultery and other sins which lead to instant death. But what I think EVERYONE ignores is that sin is sin.

Christ said " If you break one law you break them all."  I believe he was teaching that if you sin you are dead in your sins and that does not matter which law you broke.

It is mankind who singles out the sins and singles out the isolating of one persons type of sin.
But if a person loves God their body and their own wants come second to what God wants for them.
If believers really believe God has a future planned for them, then why would they not want to live Gods way?

We have all sinned and we don't all die from one type of sin but each has sin and no matter what that sin it brought death.
Pot calling kettle black an adulterer believing themselves better than a thief. But they both get the same penalty.

We can do anything one might say because we are no longer under the law and saved. But in truth we would uphold the law because we know God does not want us to do those things.

No one who sins is any different because of their type of sin. Man does not make the rules, God does.
If I, were  a person with homosexual tendencies, adulterer or a thief.  Knowing God saw it as wrong I would cease from doing those things.
It is about who we put first in our lives. It is a personal choice. We cannot change the laws to suit the sinner.
We cannot make one sin more or less than the other sin. We just have to choose and then live as called.

Break one law you break them all because all sin is sin. Christianity remains as  in the time of Christ the fulfillment of the Jewish faith.
So a Jew or not a Jew everyone gets to choose. We are not here to judge another's sin or think their type of sin is different from anyone elses.

Love is about loving everyone despite all our own individual sins.  The sin s not any less a sin because we change a law. We could legalise stealing but it remains a sin in Gods eyes and in the faith. No different to any other sin.
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Re: Progressive Christianity
« Reply #28 on: March 27, 2017, 07:22:50 AM »
Vlad,

So's flat earth-ism.
 
Poor analogy......Just like Religion being the same as saying 2+2=5.

Oh how we laughed at that one.

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« Reply #29 on: March 27, 2017, 08:03:57 AM »
Your signature is more offensive than the idea of progressive Christanity.

You see Protestants took away all the bad bits which God hated in the Roman Catholic Church like trying to take his place as God as if absent
and oppressing the poor and putting yokes on the believers.
They tried to take back control over the people once the Romans lost control over their own empire.

The truth is there is more Christians like Christ in the protestant church than in the Roman Catholic Church who made their own rules up and tried to force them onto others.  There is nothing Christ-like about the Roman Catholic Church and the Church of God has never been a part of it,

Christ said " Love thy neighbour not torture them or frighten them into submission.  Your signature will not be found in any of Gods teachings or those of Christs. Just as the truth shows that more than any religion calling themselves Christians...the Roman Catholics have the largest number of deserters who become atheists than any other Christian religion.

Time to come to your senses. The Roman Catholic Church is not and never has been the true church of God and Christ.

I find you offensive. I don't have to defend the Roman Catholic Church. I don't belong to it. And yet even though I've told you that a million times it still hasn't got through that thick heretical skull of yours. Protestantism is the result of rationalism and Protestantism leads to atheism. The proof is western Europe, its secularism and iconoclasm: its apostasy.
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Re: Progressive Christianity
« Reply #30 on: March 27, 2017, 09:00:25 AM »
I find you offensive. I don't have to defend the Roman Catholic Church. I don't belong to it. And yet even though I've told you that a million times it still hasn't got through that thick heretical skull of yours. Protestantism is the result of rationalism and Protestantism leads to atheism The proof is western Europe, its secularism and iconoclasm: its apostasy.

You poor sad little person! :o

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Re: Progressive Christianity
« Reply #31 on: March 27, 2017, 09:21:43 AM »
You poor sad little person! :o

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« Reply #32 on: March 27, 2017, 09:23:40 AM »
You poor sad little person! :o

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Re: Progressive Christianity
« Reply #33 on: March 27, 2017, 10:08:50 AM »
Vlad,

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Poor analogy......

No it isn't. I just makes the point that being "unusual" tells you nothing about the truth of a conjecture.

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Just like Religion being the same as saying 2+2=5.

Oh how we laughed at that one.

I know that you didn't laugh "at that one" becaude no-one said it. Stop lying.
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Re: Progressive Christianity
« Reply #34 on: March 27, 2017, 04:43:01 PM »


Time to come to your senses. The Roman Catholic Church is not and never has been the true church of God and Christ.

Proof positive that you never read a bloody thing that anyone here posts, or if you do read it, you never understand one iota, whether from atheists, agnostics or other Christians.

Ad_orientem has told you endless times which faith he belongs to - it is not the Catholic Church. I don't share his beliefs, but at least I'm probably among the majority here who had to be told only once that ad_orientem belongs to the Orthodox faith. The clue is in his log-in name.
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Re: Progressive Christianity
« Reply #35 on: March 27, 2017, 04:48:52 PM »
He could be as dead as anything and still be a better man than any.

Well, a better man than most, possibly. I think I might open a thread on Jesus' confusingly inappropriate anger on several occasions, some day. Mark's gospel is particularly odd in this respect.
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Re: Progressive Christianity
« Reply #36 on: March 27, 2017, 05:13:50 PM »
One would have thought Jesus, if he was some sort of god, would be above having temper tantrums.

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Re: Progressive Christianity
« Reply #37 on: March 27, 2017, 05:37:59 PM »
jeremy,

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Also he magicked water into wine, a few loaves and fishes into dinner for five thousand...

OK, so he was good at tapas - I'll give him that.
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Re: Progressive Christianity
« Reply #38 on: March 27, 2017, 05:40:50 PM »
jeremy,

OK, so he was good at tapas - I'll give him that.

And could make really good weapons against zombies. Do not play if you are easily offended, squeamish at work and complain!


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Re: Progressive Christianity
« Reply #39 on: March 27, 2017, 06:19:33 PM »
Your signature is more offensive than the idea of progressive Christanity.

You see Protestants took away all the bad bits which God hated in the Roman Catholic Church like trying to take his place as God as if absent
and oppressing the poor and putting yokes on the believers.
They tried to take back control over the people once the Romans lost control over their own empire.

The truth is there is more Christians like Christ in the protestant church than in the Roman Catholic Church who made their own rules up and tried to force them onto others.  There is nothing Christ-like about the Roman Catholic Church and the Church of God has never been a part of it,

Christ said " Love thy neighbour not torture them or frighten them into submission.  Your signature will not be found in any of Gods teachings or those of Christs. Just as the truth shows that more than any religion calling themselves Christians...the Roman Catholics have the largest number of deserters who become atheists than any other Christian religion.

Time to come to your senses. The Roman Catholic Church is not and never has been the true church of God and Christ.
Philosophically and psychologically I agree with A_O. Protestantism eventually led to our modern world of materialism.

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Re: Progressive Christianity
« Reply #40 on: March 27, 2017, 06:22:22 PM »
Philosophically and psychologically I agree with A_O. Protestantism eventually led to our modern world of materialism.
I think that was trains.

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Re: Progressive Christianity
« Reply #41 on: March 27, 2017, 06:54:17 PM »
Philosophically and psychologically I agree with A_O. Protestantism eventually led to our modern world of materialism.

I don't follow that at all, please explain.
As people have changed over two millenia,knowledge more widespread, new discoveries every day. If they have a faith it is bound to be different to that of their grandparents or earlier.That is what I see as progressive Christianity.
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Re: Progressive Christianity
« Reply #42 on: March 27, 2017, 07:20:31 PM »
I think that was trains.
Are you trying to be funny, 'cause that doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

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Re: Progressive Christianity
« Reply #43 on: March 27, 2017, 07:21:46 PM »
I think that was trains.
Don't forget the advent of the printing press.
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Re: Progressive Christianity
« Reply #44 on: March 27, 2017, 07:26:50 PM »
Are you trying to be funny, 'cause that doesn't make any sense whatsoever.
Neither does any simplistic James Burke's Connections (Google if you are young) x caused y caused j sense of history. Further if you do follow that then it's all deterministic anyway so no particular selection starting point makes any sense. But I tried to make the point shorter in the vague hope that this is obvious to anyone thinking about causality here.

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Re: Progressive Christianity
« Reply #45 on: March 27, 2017, 07:29:12 PM »
Don't forget the advent of the printing press.
See answer to Jack Knave. I get the randomly select something and claim everything else comes from it. Effectively that creates a regress to the start of time. The selection of the starting point is, umm well, pointless

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Re: Progressive Christianity
« Reply #46 on: March 27, 2017, 07:50:35 PM »
I don't follow that at all, please explain.
As people have changed over two millenia,knowledge more widespread, new discoveries every day. If they have a faith it is bound to be different to that of their grandparents or earlier.That is what I see as progressive Christianity.
What Protestantism did was to give access to the masses the mystery and numinousness of the spheres of the gods. They were left to choose and work things out for themselves. Hence the endless schisms the church has had. Some of those schisms for the individual was to reject God and religion all together (it should be noted here that many, within themselves, would have rejected or doubted the catholic faith and/or God etc. long before the Reformation came along, just that the threat of the authorities would have kept the "poll" on this mute). With the nascent influence of science (reason etc.) and the enlightenment the means to make a safe public stand on atheistic positions, with arguments for this, grew and so groups and gatherings developed. Once groups form so does social pressure as they became dominate in the society they are in and following generations are then "trained" to take this atheistic position as the norm. Very few things are wholly successful, so we have to day a situation where atheism is dominate in most social institutions - science, politics etc. - and where religious views are held in these institutions they are very much watered down versions of true spiritually; a token gesture, and as such has a very weak influence on matters. Religion, therefore, today, in the West, is a peripheral institution (especially in psychological terms) and plays no real part in social-political matters.

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Re: Progressive Christianity
« Reply #47 on: March 27, 2017, 07:52:34 PM »
I don't follow that at all, please explain.
As people have changed over two millenia,knowledge more widespread, new discoveries every day. If they have a faith it is bound to be different to that of their grandparents or earlier.That is what I see as progressive Christianity.

The Reformation, which was essentially an exercise in rationalism, throwing the baby out with the bathwater led to the Enlightenment > Modernism > Atheism.
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Re: Progressive Christianity
« Reply #48 on: March 27, 2017, 07:56:03 PM »
See answer to Jack Knave. I get the randomly select something and claim everything else comes from it. Effectively that creates a regress to the start of time. The selection of the starting point is, umm well, pointless
So nothing causes nothing else. They just randomly jump into existence do they?

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Re: Progressive Christianity
« Reply #49 on: March 27, 2017, 07:59:53 PM »
The Reformation, which was essentially an exercise in rationalism, throwing the baby out with the bathwater led to the Enlightenment > Modernism > Atheism.
I thought the Reformation was an exercise in a rejection of religious despotism that went against the word of the NT.