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Re: Progressive Christianity
« Reply #175 on: April 03, 2017, 10:58:20 AM »
JK,

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If they don't understand what I'm talking about then they are. If someone doesn't understand the basics of life and what it means to be human then they can be seen as being ignorant or naïve or something.

You're 'gravity' is worthless as it says nothing about what it means to be human.

You’re missing it still. People can “understand what you’re talking about” and still think you’re wrong. The point was that assertion gives you subjective truth, but nothing more; you need logic (or another method better than guessing) if you want to build a bridge from there to objective truth.

“What it means to be human” may well be something on which you have an opinion, but the point of the analogy with gravity is that you need something more than an opinion if you expect it to be taken seriously by other people.   
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Re: Progressive Christianity
« Reply #176 on: April 03, 2017, 11:29:54 AM »
Vlad,

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Which of these positions do you finally want to opt for?

You said something like, “philosophy isn’t about logic”. Philosophy is precisely about logic – would would "illogical philosophy" even mean?

The one when you said philosophy isn’t about logic? Probably if I could be bothered to look for it – it was a reply you made to Wigginhall I think.

Can you really not see though that “proceeding from its premises” is itself an approach in logic?

Presumably you’ll be along soon to demonstrate this claim?

Incidentally, when looking for references for your various errors I typed “Emergence the musical” and “science” and came across a site called “Fundies say the Darndest Things” – essentially a compendium of daftnesses posted by the logically challenged – and guess what? Yup, it contains a whole stack of your quotes from this mb!

The good news? You’re famous!

The bad news? Erm, not in a good way…
Nope I was challenging Jack on his point that science promotes atheism.
Then you pitched in with agreement and then qualification of that agreement, a qualification I must say you have continued to reinforce.

Both Jack's suggestion that there is less theism because there is more science and your qualification of your agreement with me are incorrect IMHO.

Increase in atheism or the reduction in theism are not a happy (nor unhappy) consequence of science... and therefore can be neither intentional nor unintended..........

You either come out and agree with Jack's original suggestion or me...

....Which I think puts you between a rock and a hard place.

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Re: Progressive Christianity
« Reply #177 on: April 03, 2017, 11:46:09 AM »


Incidentally, when looking for references for your various errors I typed “Emergence the musical” and “science” and came across a site called “Fundies say the Darndest Things” – essentially a compendium of daftnesses posted by the logically challenged – and guess what? Yup, it contains a whole stack of your quotes from this mb!

The good news? You’re famous!

The bad news? Erm, not in a good way…
Argumentum ad populum.
Well I'm not famous....Emergence the musical is.
Thanks for bringing this up and I knew about it anyway.
I was surprised though at who was behind it.

bluehillside Retd.

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Re: Progressive Christianity
« Reply #178 on: April 03, 2017, 11:48:59 AM »
Vlad,

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Nope I was challenging Jack on his point that science promotes atheism.

Nope. You said it, and were called out on it. Stop lying.

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Then you pitched in with agreement….

Agreement with what? That science promotes atheism? Nope – I said the opposite of that – very, very clearly. Stop lying.

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…and then qualification of that agreement, a qualification I must say you have continued to reinforce.

You can’t “qualify” something you didn’t say in the first place. Stop lying.

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Both Jack's suggestion that there is less theism because there is more science and your qualification of your agreement with me are incorrect IMHO.

That’s wasn’t my “qualification”. I merely said that, when science provides answers that previously were provided by superstitious alternatives (Thor and thunder for example) then a plank that supports the superstitious belief is removed. It’s hardly a stretch therefore to suggest that the incidence of those kind of beliefs has declined as a result.

That though just means that there have been unintended effects incidental to the practice of science, not that it was the goal of “antitheistic scientists” as your bonkers paranoia has it.

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Increase in atheism or the reduction in theism are not a happy (nor unhappy) consequence of science... and therefore can be neither intentional nor unintended..........

Another non sequitur. Do you think that more people believed in Thor or in a flat earth before or after the real answers were discovered?  That’s the unintended consequence bit – science didn’t set out to discredit Thor-ism or flat-earthism; it just set out to find out how things really were. 

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You either come out and agree with Jack's original suggestion or me...

....Which I think puts you between a rock and a hard place.

It does no such thing because your position is fundamentally dishonest.
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Re: Progressive Christianity
« Reply #179 on: April 03, 2017, 11:52:16 AM »
Vlad,

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Argumentum ad populum.

Perhaps if you bothered looking up what argumentum ad populum means you wouldn't make this mistake again? I wasn't making an argument at all; I was just noting that you're a hit on a site that complies fruit loop religious postings.

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Well I'm not famous....Emergence the musical is.

Infamous is a better fit I think.

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Thanks for bringing this up and I knew about it anyway.

I was surprised though at who was behind it.

I have no idea who is "behind it".
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Re: Progressive Christianity
« Reply #180 on: April 03, 2017, 11:53:55 AM »
Argumentum ad populum.
Well I'm not famous....Emergence the musical is.
Thanks for bringing this up and I knew about it anyway.
I was surprised though at who was behind it.

Just in case anyone is wondering you mean me. FSTDT is a site I've been submitting to since BBC board days. Not sure why you might find it a surprise.

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Re: Progressive Christianity
« Reply #181 on: April 03, 2017, 12:00:00 PM »
Just in case anyone is wondering you mean me. FSTDT is a site I've been submitting to since BBC board days. Not sure why you might find it a surprise.
Why have you put our posts on that site?

 

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Re: Progressive Christianity
« Reply #182 on: April 03, 2017, 12:03:04 PM »
Why have you put our posts on that site?
as I said I've been submitting posts since the BBC days for things I thought fitted there.

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Re: Progressive Christianity
« Reply #183 on: April 03, 2017, 12:05:22 PM »
Vlad,

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Why have you put our posts on that site?

Did you mean "our" or "my"?
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Re: Progressive Christianity
« Reply #184 on: April 03, 2017, 12:06:35 PM »
Vlad,

Perhaps if you bothered looking up what argumentum ad populum means you wouldn't make this mistake again? I wasn't making an argument at all; I was just noting that you're a hit on a site that complies fruit loop religious postings.

Infamous is a better fit I think.

I have no idea who is "behind it".

As confirmed to Vlad, it is I that have submitted stuff. Note it isn't exclusively religious quotes by any means on the site.

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Re: Progressive Christianity
« Reply #185 on: April 03, 2017, 06:48:51 PM »
As confirmed to Vlad, it is I that have submitted stuff. Note it isn't exclusively religious quotes by any means on the site.
Apparently Lord Lucan was on FSTDT for several years and that enabled him to avoid detection.