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The whole idea of a summer time is complete bollocks. This far north it makes no difference whatsover because night time is virtually nonexistant. Instead we have to spend millions twice a year just so we can be in sync with a bunch of southerners who could just as easily get up an hour earlier.

[Humph Warden Bennett]

Don't forget to put your clocks forward one hour before you go to bed.

Do you wish we had BST all the year round as we did for a short time in the 60s? I think I would prefer it, however I guess those much further north than us would find the dark mornings a real pain.

This is an interesting article.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/0/do-clocks-go-forward-time-does-british-summer-begin-2017-do/

I start work at 07:00 in London, so I am up at 04:30. I would happily stay on GMT all year round.

[jeremyp]

I would stick with summer time all year round.

[ekim]

I would stick with summer time all year round.

Yes, and then we could have Britsh Double Summertime as in the war years.

[jeremyp]

Yes, and then we could have Britsh Double Summertime as in the war years.

No I wouldn't bother with changing the clocks at all.

[ippy]

Yes, and then we could have Britsh Double Summertime as in the war years.

You've got my vote on that ekim.

ippy

[Gordon]

Depends how far north you are though, and it is a double edged sword.

Here in Glasgow, in late June, in stays lighter in the evenings for a while longer than, say, in Portsmouth: I've been in Orkney in late June when it gets more dusk than dark, and even then just for a few hours.

However, come late-December here in Glasgow, it would stay dark until around 9.30am (and nearer 10am in northern Scotland) unless the clocks reverted back to GMT each autumn.

[jeremyp]

However, come late-December here in Glasgow, it would stay dark until around 9.30am (and nearer 10am in northern Scotland) unless the clocks reverted back to GMT each autumn.

The basic problem is that daylight hours are short in the winter. It's either dark in the morning or dark in the afternoon. I'd argue that it's generally nicer if it is dark in the morning.

[ekim]

Depends how far north you are though, and it is a double edged sword.

Here in Glasgow, in late June, in stays lighter in the evenings for a while longer than, say, in Portsmouth: I've been in Orkney in late June when it gets more dusk than dark, and even then just for a few hours.

However, come late-December here in Glasgow, it would stay dark until around 9.30am (and nearer 10am in northern Scotland) unless the clocks reverted back to GMT each autumn.

Ah well, perhaps when Scotland gets its independence we can have separate time zones.

[ippy]

The basic problem is that daylight hours are short in the winter. It's either dark in the morning or dark in the afternoon. I'd argue that it's generally nicer if it is dark in the morning.

I'm not a morning person staying light later in the evening would suit me, before I retired I would have welcomed some extra time in the evenings out in my garden and I would still like that extra hour.

ippy

[SusanDoris]

I forgot about the clocks going forward! I was sitting here thinking I had plenty of time when Synthetic dave told me it was 7:10 not 6:10 so I did not have time to do my hour's walk before goin to the station to catch the train. I did my regular physio exercises heere at home.

[floo]

Don't forget to put your clocks forward one hour before you go to bed.

[SteveH]

Bit of a job when you've got eight of them, plus a bike computer, to correct!

[floo]

Bit of a job when you've got eight of them, plus a bike computer, to correct!

We have loads of clocks and watches, but fortunately most are radio controlled, I have already done the few which aren't.

[Rhiannon]

It would bloody be the morning I'm supposed to be up with my boy to watch the Aussie GP. Bad enough getting up at six, let alone when my body thinks it is 5 am!

[floo]

It would bloody be the morning I'm supposed to be up with my boy to watch the Aussie GP. Bad enough getting up at six, let alone when my body thinks it is 5 am!

I am up by 6.30am everyday of the year.

[ProfessorDavey]

The main issue with me is the timing of the change. The Autumn change (end Oct) seems about right. The spring change is way too late, being about a week the summer side of the equinox. The equivalent for Autumn would be putting the clocks back on about the 15th Sept.

So if we can put clocks back late October, we should put them forward again mid February.

[Anchorman]

Depends how far north you are though, and it is a double edged sword. Here in Glasgow, in late June, in stays lighter in the evenings for a while longer than, say, in Portsmouth: I've been in Orkney in late June when it gets more dusk than dark, and even then just for a few hours. However, come late-December here in Glasgow, it would stay dark until around 9.30am (and nearer 10am in northern Scotland) unless the clocks reverted back to GMT each autumn.

....and it would be a drain on dairy and beef farming in Scotland to boot. The electric bills would shoot up for starters, meaning that the price of milk and beef would escalate as well. As it is, most farmers struggle to get their work done in the limited daylight hours in December and January.

[ProfessorDavey]

....and it would be a drain on dairy and beef farming in Scotland to boot. The electric bills would shoot up for starters, meaning that the price of milk and beef would escalate as well. As it is, most farmers struggle to get their work done in the limited daylight hours in December and January.

Eh - but regardless of whether or when you change the clocks you don't actually alter the amount of daylight.

[floo]

Eh - but regardless of whether or when you change the clocks you don't actually alter the amount of daylight.

That is true.

[SteveH]

We tried staying on BST all year round in the late 60s. It was widely hated, and the government went back to changing the clocks each Spring and Autumn. The advocates of year-round BST try to tell us that it was popular with the public, but hated by business, but some of us are old enough to remember the truth.

[floo]

We tried staying on BST all year round in the late 60s. It was widely hated, and the government went back to changing the clocks each Spring and Autumn. The advocates of year-round BST try to tell us that it was popular with the public, but hated by business, but some of us are old enough to remember the truth.

I remember it as a teenager, and preferred BST all the year round.

[SteveH]

I remember it as a teenager, and preferred BST all the year round.

Most people didn't, especially up North and in Scotland. Way down in the Channel Isles, the dark mornings wouldn't have been as noticable.

[ProfessorDavey]

Most people didn't,

Evidence please.

especially up North and in Scotland.

Most people don't live in the North or Scotland ...

Way down in the Channel Isles, the dark mornings wouldn't have been as noticable.

... or the Channel Islands.