Jesus's tomb

[Sriram]

Hi everyone,

A very interesting video about the tomb of Jesus at Jerusalem and the imminent uncovering of the rock on which Jesus is believed to have been laid.

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/03/23/travel/jesus-tomb-restoration-complete/index.html

May be of interest to some people here.

Cheers.

Sriram

[Anchorman]

Can of worms, there! There are several potential candidates for the tomb of the Lord Jesus. Not that we need any of them, though.

[Jack Knave]

Can of worms, there! There are several potential candidates for the tomb of the Lord Jesus. Not that we need any of them, though.

That's a thought. If there were more than one tomb then when they thought he had raised from the dead he was in fact laid out in another one.

[floo]

It would be interesting if a body was found in the tomb which could be identified as belonging to Jesus. The implications of that would be HUGE where Christianity is concerned.

[Anchorman]

Floo; Have you actually been there? Had you have been there, you would see that your point is moot. Helena - Constantine's mum - went about digging up stuff and claiming them as relics with no basis whatsoever. She found enough bits of the 'true Cross' to provide decking for a cathedral; and the other claims are equally spurious. Whether or not the site was that of the Resurrection is simply unknowable. Similarly, did you know that there was a second candidate for Bethlehem - based on a second century Roman Christian site, rather than the more famous one we know today - thanks to Helena? We don't need either site, though.

[ad_orientem]

She found enough bits of the 'true Cross' to provide decking for a cathedral

Protestant myths die hard, it seems. This particular one was invented by Martin Luther. If you were to put all the fragments together, however, all you would end up with is a part of a beam of wood. As for St. Helena, that's a matter of faith I suppose, but again it all boils down to Protestantism's inherent iconoclasm: it's almost gnostic.

[Anchorman]

Sorry, ad-o: Using modern methodology, there is nothing to substantiate Helena's claims - and much to be rather sceptical about, since she had a political agenda in supporting her son in his role as Emperor. She may or may not have converted - that's God's business, not ours - but the situation in the empire needed stability. After all, at the time Helena was being an amateur digger, her son was building Churches, endowing Mithras cult Temples, issuing coins with both Christian and pagan symbolism on them - in other words, veing a typical Roman warrior/politician and hedging his bets. The hagiology and history are confused.

[ad_orientem]

As I said: almost gnostic. Rejecting anything physical, that is, anything one can touch with the hand or see with the eyes.

[floo]

Floo; Have you actually been there? Had you have been there, you would see that your point is moot. Helena - Constantine's mum - went about digging up stuff and claiming them as relics with no basis whatsoever. She found enough bits of the 'true Cross' to provide decking for a cathedral; and the other claims are equally spurious. Whether or not the site was that of the Resurrection is simply unknowable. Similarly, did you know that there was a second candidate for Bethlehem - based on a second century Roman Christian site, rather than the more famous one we know today - thanks to Helena? We don't need either site, though.

I agree with you, I was just asking a hypothetical question.

[Anchorman]

As I said: almost gnostic. Rejecting anything physical, that is, anything one can touch with the hand or see with the eyes.

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No.
Rejecting stuff that isn't important or in the New Testament.

[ad_orientem]

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No.
Rejecting stuff that isn't important or in the New Testament.

Jesus' tomb and cross are in the NT. Lose your bible?

[Anchorman]

Jesus' tomb and cross are in the NT. Lose your bible?

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Nope.
Please show me where Scripture locartes them - and tells us to build whopping great churches over them?

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Nope.
Please show me where Scripture locartes them - and tells us to build whopping great churches over them?

Tell us were Jesus says use Jacob's Cream Crackers for communion. This is the fallacy of sola scriptura and why it's a whopping great heresy.

[Stranger]

This is the fallacy of sola scriptura and why it's a whopping great heresy.

How do you know it's a 'fallacy' and a heresy?

[Nearly Sane]

How do you know it's a 'fallacy' and a heresy?

Possibly it's a herefallacy?

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How do you know it's a 'fallacy' and a heresy?

Because Protestantism is full of things not in the scriptures and many of its doctrines, such as the Trinity, which relies on the traditions it rejects.

[Anchorman]

Tell us were Jesus says use Jacob's Cream Crackers for communion. This is the fallacy of sola scriptura and why it's a whopping great heresy.

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Ooops!
Jesus didn't ask us to use wafers, spoons, ornate vessals, robes, bells and incence at communion either.....did I miss that bit?

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Ooops!
Jesus didn't ask us to use wafers, spoons, ornate vessals, robes, bells and incence at communion either.....did I miss that bit?

I didn't say he did but then we don't believe in sola scriptura. Scripture is just part of a much wider tradition.

[Anchorman]

Traditions change.

[floo]

I didn't say he did but then we don't believe in sola scriptura. Scripture is just part of a much wider tradition.

Just because something is tradition doesn't mean it is right or good. Much of the Catholic tradition should be scrapped, imo.

[Nearly Sane]

Just because something is tradition doesn't mean it is right or good. Much of the Catholic tradition should be scrapped, imo.

I take it you mean Roman Catholic? Ad_o would argue that much of it already has been .

[floo]

Both the Orthodox Church and the RCC are Catholic in origin aren't they?

[ad_orientem]

Traditions change.

No they don't.

[ad_orientem]

Both the Orthodox Church and the RCC are Catholic in origin aren't they?

The Orthodox Church does claim to be the Catholic Church.

[ad_orientem]

I take it you mean Roman Catholic? Ad_o would argue that much of it already has been .

Indeed.