More finds from Egypt (Where else?)

[Maeght]

have you seen the vid I linked to , not sure if its genuine, but my questions relate to  what it refers to

drilling ,cutting ,shaping stone in such ways

Some of it. What specific questions though?

There are ?techniques for drilling and cutting stones using copper tools and sand. We don't know exactly which ones were used by the ancient Egyptians but there is no reason to think they couldn't achieve what they did using these techniques. Do you want to know the details of the techniques

[Walter]

Some of it. What specific questions though?

There are ?techniques for drilling and cutting stones using copper tools and sand. We don't know exactly which ones were used by the ancient Egyptians but there is no reason to think they couldn't achieve what they did using these techniques. Do you want to know the details of the techniques

what do you mean' there is no reason ' unless you can show me someone drill a perfect hole in stone with copper chisel , then I am not convinced

simply saying it , like you do, is not enough

[Maeght]

what do you mean' there is no reason ' unless you can show me someone drill a perfect hole in stone with copper chisel , then I am not convinced

simply saying it , like you do, is not enough

I didn't say they used a copper chisel, I said copper tools (such as cylinders) and sand. Add water and plenty of time and you can cut through stone. There are lots of references to this on the internet. Google it. The fact that there are techniques which can achieve these results with the sort of technology the ancient Egyptians had is why I said 'there is no reason'.

[Maeght]

Have you found this one Walter?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeS5lrmyD74

Just an example of the possible.

[Walter]

Have you found this one Walter?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeS5lrmyD74

Just an example of the possible.

that's what I'm after , thank you . I can imagine they came up with method of speeding that up though

[Maeght]

that's what I'm after , thank you . I can imagine they came up with method of speeding that up though

Indeed.

[Anchorman]

that's what I'm after , thank you . I can imagine they came up with method of speeding that up though

 
Something was rattling through what's left of my mind last night as I slept through a presbytery meeting.
I'm almost certain the objects are on display at the brilliant Petrie museum, but I know Petrie brought some of the artefacts he found at Giza back to London.
Meantime, here's a reasonable article which might interest yo, Walter.
http://www.oocities.org/unforbidden_geology/ancient_egyptian_copper_coring_drills.html




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[Walter]

 
Something was rattling through what's left of my mind last night as I slept through a presbytery meeting.
I'm almost certain the objects are on display at the brilliant Petrie museum, but I know Petrie brought some of the artefacts he found at Giza back to London.
Meantime, here's a reasonable article which might interest yo, Walter.
http://www.oocities.org/unforbidden_geology/ancient_egyptian_copper_coring_drills.html




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thank you , that's more like it . I've had a quick read through , will give it more consideration later , very interesting .

[Anchorman]

thank you , that's more like it . I've had a quick read through , will give it more consideration later , very interesting .

Well, at least Presbytery's good for somethang.
By the way, for anyone who doesn't want to be dazzled by Egyptian New Kingdom bling, the Petrie Museum is a fantastic resource - crammed with stuff from Egypt's remote past right through the 'Pyramid age'.

[Anchorman]

And yet more...announced officially today. Two tombs, one known but not fully excaveted, the other unknown, found at dra Abu-el-Naga, near Luxor. These tombs date to the early eighteenth dynasty. http://english.ahram.org.eg/News/283041.aspx

[Anchorman]

Egypt: the gift that keeps on giving. Everyone's heard about Giza or Luxor - the 'glamerous' sites. But there's a site few tourists visit, but which has nonetheless proven a very rich seam for archaeology and a re-interpretation of history to boot - Gebel -el Sisila. (Other spellings are available) New finds are being made there on a regular basis, witrh the latest, somewhat poignant, finds, being recordes in the site blog, courtesy of the Egyptian Exploration Society. https://gebelelsilsilaepigraphicsurveyproject.blogspot.co.uk/

[Anchorman]

New Year, new finds.... This time from the Delta - where conditions usually conspire to ruin preservation, and remains are scant. Buto was a town sacred to the Wadjet cobra deity, and grew in importance from the eighth century BC. Several rulers came from the area, and finds there are always significant.http://english.ahram.org.eg/News/286388.aspx

[SusanDoris]

 





Nah.


I can magny my (extra large) screen up to x120, so I can watch a youtube video.
Thing is, though, there are no 'lost technologies' as far as the Old Kingdom pyramids are concerned.
The self-same 'drill holes' can be seen in the earliest door lintels dating back 150 years before Khufu's time.
There are umpteen spurious claims on dbious sites - from Graham Hancock to Erik von Danekin (not forgetting David Icke) trying to find a myster where there is no mystery to find.
The sheer, incredible truth is that these monuments were plannded using sticks and cords, plumb lines and set squares, built using copper chisels, sand, grindsones and muscle power, by ordinary men with extraordinary minds.

A big round of applause here!  On the Mysteries section of the GH message boards there are often long, long topics where the simple facts are disputed, not accepted, it must be mysterious ancient civilisations, lost skills etc etc

[ippy]

I zapped the t v about a week or so ago and I saw the last few minutes of a programme about the D N A links between Tut and his parents, it looks like they've nailed exactly who his parents were and not unusually in this era they were siblings plus Tut had an identifiable genetic disorder, a condition that was very likely to be the main contributory cause of his death.

Anyone know any more about that programme?

Egypt is certainly an amazing place for antiquities of all sorts and thanks for the various links, really really interesting. 

Regards ippy

[Anchorman]

A big round of applause here!  On the Mysteries section of the GH message boards there are often long, long topics where the simple facts are disputed, not accepted, it must be mysterious ancient civilisations, lost skills etc etc

 


      In Greek times, it was 'lost wisdom.'.
By Arab times it was Ali Baba and alchemy.
The modern successors to Flinders Petrie's "pyramidiots" are alive and well, Susan.
In his time it was the theories of the 'pyramid inch' (which didn't exist) calculating the return of Christ, or the Great Pyramid as 'Joseph's granaries' which inspired the nut jobs.
A few decades later, the drivel surrounding the so-called  "Curse of the Pharaohs" caught the  imagination.
Now it's alien tech and extra-terrestrial influence.
Egypt seems to generate the tendency to fantasise.

[Anchorman]

I zapped the t v about a week or so ago and I saw the last few minutes of a programme about the D N A links between Tut and his parents, it looks like they've nailed exactly who his parents were and not unusually in this era they were siblings plus Tut had an identifiable genetic disorder, a condition that was very likely to be the main contributory cause of his death.

Anyone know any more about that programme?

Egypt is certainly an amazing place for antiquities of all sorts and thanks for the various links, really really interesting. 

Regards ippy

Ippy:  Those findings are about the most controversial in Egypt at the moment.
The identity of Tutankhamun's mum is a hot potato.
The mummy identified as "KV35 YL" is the prime candidate, but whether she was a full sister of Akhenaten or a cousin is still a bit iffy. The documentary plumps for a brother-sister bond, which wouldn't be impossible...other Egyptologists go for a cousin-cousin bond - the cousin being a member of a branch closely connected to the main Royal family for at least five generations.
Some claim to be able to put a name to that mummy - a name you've probably heard of - Nefertiti.
Not only that, given the position of her arms at the time of her embalming, they say that this confirms that she was yet another female king, ruling under the name "Ankhkheperure Neferneferuaten".
If you're keeping up, you might be aware that probably 60% of the stuff in Tutankhamun's tomb - including at least two of the coffins and the golden mask - were actually made for this king.
So Tut might have been buried in his mum's coffin...
curioser and curioser....

[ippy]

Ippy:  Those findings are about the most controversial in Egypt at the moment.
The identity of Tutankhamun's mum is a hot potato.
The mummy identified as "KV35 YL" is the prime candidate, but whether she was a full sister of Akhenaten or a cousin is still a bit iffy. The documentary plumps for a brother-sister bond, which wouldn't be impossible...other Egyptologists go for a cousin-cousin bond - the cousin being a member of a branch closely connected to the main Royal family for at least five generations.
Some claim to be able to put a name to that mummy - a name you've probably heard of - Nefertiti.
Not only that, given the position of her arms at the time of her embalming, they say that this confirms that she was yet another female king, ruling under the name "Ankhkheperure Neferneferuaten".
If you're keeping up, you might be aware that probably 60% of the stuff in Tutankhamun's tomb - including at least two of the coffins and the golden mask - were actually made for this king.
So Tut might have been buried in his mum's coffin...
curiouser and curiouser....

Yes I suppose like a lot of those convoluted happenings of those times you would, anyone would have quite some job unrevealing who's who, I'm my own uncle Etc.

My wife's cousin lectures Egyptology at the Uni in Adelaide, my she's such a very interesting person, she reads the hieroglyphics straight off of anything Egyptian, she's heavily into the Richard the third society as well down there, I'll have to drop her a line and catch up,

If you do find any more links like the D N A one I'd appreciate it if you were to bang it or them up on the screen.

Regards ippy and thanks, very interesting. 

P S Haven't the Germans got a bust of Nefertiti, minus one eye? (My spell check has just tried to correct Nefertiti to infertile).

[Anchorman]

Yes I suppose like a lot of those convoluted happenings of those times you would, anyone would have quite some job unrevealing who's who, I'm my own uncle Etc. My wife's cousin lectures Egyptology at the Uni in Adelaide, my she's such a very interesting person, she reads the hieroglyphics straight off of anything Egyptian, she's heavily into the Richard the third society as well down there, I'll have to drop her a line and catch up, If you do find any more links like the D N A one I'd appreciate it if you were to bang it or them up on the screen. Regards ippy and thanks, very interesting. P S Haven't the Germans got a bust of Nefertiti, minus one eye? (My spell check has just tried to correct Nefertiti to infertile).

Last bit first; Yes, Borchart found the incredible bust of Nefertiti in the ruins of Akhenaten's capital - Akhrtatrn - now el-Amarna, at the site of a sculptor, Thutmose's studio.It is in Germany, though copies have been made and are in London and Cairo, exact in every detail. Second, if you're interested in the Amarna period - and I don't know an Egyptophile who isn't, there are literally thousands of books on the subject, from the scholarly to the plain nuts, but here are three of the best modern takes on the subject; "Akhenaten: Egypt's false prophet" by Nicolas Reeves, and two books by a friend of mine, Aiden Dodson, "Amarna Sunrise" and £Amarna Sunset". Finally, here's the link to the report on the DNA scans of the royal mummies; disputed by several experts, both on genetics and archaeology grounds, but, hey, that's Egypt for you; a detecive story where you try to find a crime when you can't identify the victims, but there's a good chance you have their guts in a jar..... https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/185393

[ippy]

Last bit first; Yes, Borchart found the incredible bust of Nefertiti in the ruins of Akhenaten's capital - Akhrtatrn - now el-Amarna, at the site of a sculptor, Thutmose's studio.It is in Germany, though copies have been made and are in London and Cairo, exact in every detail. Second, if you're interested in the Amarna period - and I don't know an Egyptophile who isn't, there are literally thousands of books on the subject, from the scholarly to the plain nuts, but here are three of the best modern takes on the subject; "Akhenaten: Egypt's false prophet" by Nicolas Reeves, and two books by a friend of mine, Aiden Dodson, "Amarna Sunrise" and £Amarna Sunset". Finally, here's the link to the report on the DNA scans of the royal mummies; disputed by several experts, both on genetics and archaeology grounds, but, hey, that's Egypt for you; a detecive story where you try to find a crime when you can't identify the victims, but there's a good chance you have their guts in a jar..... https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/185393

Thanks for the additional info Anch, I am really interested in Egyptology but I'm no expert on the subject, even so I shall be going through your links with interest.

I haven't got the time at the mo I'm adjusting my furniture to back up to the wall over the boxing I've put over the new central heating pipes etcetera prior to having new carpet laid, moved in here the day before the referendum and this is about the last of the many jobs that will make the place feel like our own, however there's a lot to catch up with including those links, thank you.

Kind regards ippy

[Anchorman]

Another week, another find.... This time from Sn-el Hagar....better known as Tanis, site, not of Indiana Jonses' Ark, but of the Northern Capital of the Third Intermediate Period - and, icidentally, the royal necropolis with finds that rivalled and surpassed those of Tutankhamun, in the late 1930's and mid '40's. This time a stela of Ramesses II - which came from his city of Piramesse (Biblical 'Ramses'). The entire stonework of the city, temples, statues, the lot, was moved to Tanis when the branch of the Nile on which Piramesse stood silted up - around 1000 BC. http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/9/40/288037/Heritage/Ancient-Egypt/Ramses-II-stelae-uncovered-at-San-AlHagar-site.aspx

[Anchorman]

...and there's more. This time, from the second century AD - from el-Alamein..and not a desert rat in sight. http://www.egypttoday.com/Article/4/40362/Egyptian-archaeological-mission-discovers-tomb-in-Alamein

[Anchorman]

Tchy stuff bursts a bubble. If you've never viewed the Manchester Museum collection of Egyptian stuff, take a look; it's of world importance. One of the mysteries, however, has been solved. There had been speculation that two mummies found in the same, rather rare, 'double coffin' were lovers in death as well as in life. Whole papers of romantic speculation followed this find. Hard luck: the sund of books being ditched is deafening....because DNA has shown that they were, in fact, step-brothers. Still, the mummies are worth a look; and so is this article. https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2018-01/uom-adr011518.php

[Anchorman]

First the Japanese. Then the Germans. Now the Italians are at it. Since Nicolas Reeeve's controversial theory that KV 62 - the endlessly fascinating enigma that is Tutankhamun's tomb - has as yet undiscovered chambers lying beyond the crudely painted burial chamber, scans have been...inconclusive. Now the Italians are having a go. http://luxor-news.blogspot.co.uk/2018/02/search-for-tuts-hidden-chambers.html

[Anchorman]

Major find dating from the end of dyn V (about 100 years after the 'great' pyramid of Giza) announced from Egypt's department of antiquities this morning: http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/9/40/289277/Heritage/Ancient-Egypt/BREAKING-yearold-tomb-of-Fifth-Dynasty-prominent-w.aspx

[Anchorman]

The big controversy that's been doing the rounds for the past few decades is the identity of Tutankhamun's mum. Here's a glimpse at a recon of "KV35 yl", the prime candidate for the position, identified by brilliant scholar Aidan Dodson (among others) as Nefertiti, great Royal wife of Akhenaten (Tut's dad) and, as Neferneferuaten, King in her own right. https://www.today.com/video/get-an-exclusive-first-look-at-the-face-of-king-tut-s-m other-queen-nefertiti-1153878083619