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Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
« Reply #75 on: February 07, 2018, 06:07:27 PM »
An insight into provincial life in Upper (southern) Egypt around 26oo BC from rare examples of buildings newly excavated..... https://news.uchicago.edu/article/2018/02/06/newly-discovered-buildings-reveal-clues-ancient-egyptian-dynasties
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Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
« Reply #76 on: February 10, 2018, 09:40:43 PM »
Have a drink on them! Beer was a staple in Ancient Egypt....and the Egyptians had a long, long time to perfect the art of brewing - the earliest evidence for beer making dates from before Egypt was unitd in  around 3100 BC. Here's a report on a new find - a micro-brewery, Egyptian style. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/archaeology/egypt-beer-making-ancien t-brewery-archaeologists-a8201471.html
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Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
« Reply #77 on: February 24, 2018, 05:20:49 PM »
Another week, another find. This time from the Saite period - dyn XXVI; the period whn Egypt was struggling to maintain its' indepndence against an expansionist Persia. The time, also, when several kings and events are mentioned in the Bible - and which coincide with the actuall history of the period. This time, what could be quite a significant provincial burial ground. http://english.ahram.org.eg/News/291590.aspx
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Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
« Reply #78 on: February 27, 2018, 02:19:07 PM »
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Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
« Reply #79 on: March 01, 2018, 09:33:14 AM »
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Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
« Reply #80 on: March 05, 2018, 01:48:33 PM »
There's a bit in the New Testament where Philip encounters an 'Ethiopian'. What he probably encountered was a Kushite. These were an amalgum of African and Egyptian cultures, who had a quasi-Egyptian state - complete with albeit wierd looking pyramids, which lasted feom around 700BC - 400 AD, going through various phases. Here's the latest find from Nubia - a Kushite King - Asphalta - i all his finery. https://www.livescience.com/61801-ancient-statue-nubian-king.html#undefined.gbpl
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Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
« Reply #81 on: March 06, 2018, 01:33:05 PM »
A great lecture update on the finds at "Khufu's harbour", dating from the very start of the 'pyramid age', and giving insights - from found papyrus documents - the earliest yet found - on the construction andorganisational skills of 5,800 years ago. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FB9xT2aWXSY&feature=youtu.be
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Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
« Reply #82 on: March 21, 2018, 01:37:56 PM »
Pics from the excavation of a twelfth dynasty tomb in Middle Egypt dating to around 4000 BC. This shows the 'democratisation of death' was extending to nobles of middle rank....possibly a sign of affluence becuse of foriegn trade and military expedition to Syria/Palestine, as documented on wall paintings in the vicinity of this one. https://luxortimesmagazine.blogspot.co.uk/2018/03/funerary-scenes-unveiled-in-4000-years.html#!/2018/03/funerary-scenes-unveiled-in-4000-years.html
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Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
« Reply #83 on: March 21, 2018, 04:35:35 PM »
Jim, I was watching a BBC2 film last night on Karnak.   There were lots of things in it which boggled my mind, not least the sheer size of the place, but she said that a lot of grave-robbing there was instigated by various priests, who had bodies unwrapped and rewrapped, so that gold and other valuables could be taken.   Is this correct?  I guess it is, as otherwise she would not have broadcast it, (Joann Fletcher).

Also stuff about a town dump they found, with various messages on bits of pot, e.g. 'get six loaves'.

I am a fan, anyway, and must start reading about it. 
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Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
« Reply #84 on: March 21, 2018, 04:45:59 PM »
Quote from: wigginhall on March 21, 2018, 04:35:35 PM
Jim, I was watching a BBC2 film last night on Karnak.   There were lots of things in it which boggled my mind, not least the sheer size of the place, but she said that a lot of grave-robbing there was instigated by various priests, who had bodies unwrapped and rewrapped, so that gold and other valuables could be taken.   Is this correct?  I guess it is, as otherwise she would not have broadcast it, (Joann Fletcher). Also stuff about a town dump they found, with various messages on bits of pot, e.g. 'get six loaves'. I am a fan, anyway, and must start reading about it.
Ah, Jo - "The dolly with the brolly"! Jo's a friend of mine, and despite her sometimes scatterbrained persona, she really knows her stuff. If you liked that four part series, Wiggs, the book - "The Story of Egypt" is a good read...even if there are a few bits with which I've disagreed amicably over a drink with Joann. The bit about stripping the royal dead is true. The robberies in the Valley of the Kings were getting out of hand - there are some great court records of the time - the "Tomb robbery papyri" detailing some of them. The Amun priesthood finally stripped the tombs, put many of the dead in cheap coffins, and put them into tow caches which we label KV 35 and TT 320. They were found in the late nineteenth century; names like Amenhotep III, Ramesses II, Thitmose III and twenty-odd other kings, not to mention queens and princes, turned up. DNA analysis of them,and the burals of Tutankhamun, Akhenaten, and Tut's great grandparents, have (sort of) sorted out who's who in the eighteenth dynasty mummy shuffle.
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Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
« Reply #85 on: March 21, 2018, 04:51:40 PM »
By the way, Wiggs, if you want a view of royalty in all its' gory detail, go to http://anubis4_2000.tripod.com/mummypages1/intro.htm Unfortunately, this site doesn't cover the pitiful remains behind the gold ans silverware found at Tanis, though.
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Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
« Reply #86 on: March 22, 2018, 11:00:13 AM »
Cheers, Jim, I like her persona, not stuck in an ivory tower.  She's doing well, to be galloping through all that in 4 episodes.   Quite hard to keep track of the timeline, but yeah, a few books would help.
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« Reply #87 on: March 22, 2018, 12:25:23 PM »
Quote from: wigginhall on March 22, 2018, 11:00:13 AM
Cheers, Jim, I like her persona, not stuck in an ivory tower.  She's doing well, to be galloping through all that in 4 episodes.   Quite hard to keep track of the timeline, but yeah, a few books would help.
   


Books? Depends how deep you want to go into the subject.
My specialities are the later eighteenth dynasty and the third Intermediate and Late periods - but I'm a geek.
If you want to read some serious - but readable - scholarly stuff, Aidan Dodson writes on the Amarna period (Akhenaten) with his "Amarna Sunrise" and Amarna Sunset" books - both brilliant works. And Nicolas Reeves' "Akhenaten; Egypt's false prophet"'s worth a look as well. For other periods, modern authors such as Donald Redford, Toby Wilkinson, Salima Ikram and Joyce tyldesly - as well as Joann Fletcher - are always worth a look.
Meanwhile, here's part one of a two-parter documentary, first shown on the Beeb, with Joann giong into details on that tomb-workers village, Deir-el-Medina.
Part 2's also available on youtube.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C39cgxTRh_c
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Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
« Reply #88 on: March 22, 2018, 02:53:29 PM »
Thanks, Jim.  I've just realized that the Petrie museum is next to UCL, where I was a postgrad, although I never went in.   Looks fun. 
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Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
« Reply #89 on: March 22, 2018, 06:29:13 PM »
Quote from: wigginhall on March 22, 2018, 02:53:29 PM
Thanks, Jim.  I've just realized that the Petrie museum is next to UCL, where I was a postgrad, although I never went in.   Looks fun. 
   



You need to go or a shuftie.
There's not too much sparkly stuff, but some of the predynastic and Olkd Kindom artefacts are amazing. I've been there a few times (had hands on with a few pots, ostraca, bits of statues, etc, aswell.
The place is an undiscovered gem!
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« Reply #90 on: March 23, 2018, 07:00:31 PM »
.....and some more discoveries - closer to home. Many museums collected "Egyptian stuff" from the mid nineteenth century when Egyptomania hit the world for the first time. Objects were either displayed without research, or flung into boxes and forgotten about. A couple of years ago, I managed to get up close and personal with some 'shabti' figures in the local Dick Institute, Kilmarnock. Thry'd been on display for decades but no-one had bothered to translate them...but when yours truly had a shuftie, two turned out to be reasonably special, dating from the mid XVIIIth and the early XXIth dynasties. Anyway, here's a find relating to the female king Hatshepsut....from Wales, of all places... http://www.swansea.ac.uk/press-office/latest-news/mysteriousheadofapharaohdiscoveredbyswanseaegyptologist.php
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Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
« Reply #91 on: March 23, 2018, 07:04:32 PM »
It's bizarre what relatively small museums has from Egypt. I was fascinated as a child by what my local museum had


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/McLean_Museum
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« Reply #92 on: March 23, 2018, 07:19:30 PM »
Quote from: Nearly Sane on March 23, 2018, 07:04:32 PM
It's bizarre what relatively small museums has from Egypt. I was fascinated as a child by what my local museum had


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/McLean_Museum


Yep.
Even the more important museums hold stuff they don't really understand.
Bolyon museum had a cardboard box full of fragments of stone from a wall - kept in storage from the day they got it in the late 1930's.
Egyptologist Christine el-Mahdy was scrabbling about in the depts of the stores looking foe  items to display when she found the box in the late 1980's.
When she put the fragments together, the inscription there virtually rewrote Egyptian history, showing a female king definately ruled just before Tutankhamun came to the throne.
Even the Kelvingrove doesn't really know how important its' small collection is: that massive stone sarcophagus belongs to Pabasa - virtual ruler of upper Egypt during most of the twenty fifth dynasty, and his tomb is one of the best (and biggest) examples of a nobleman's burial place from that time period.

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« Reply #93 on: March 23, 2018, 07:32:53 PM »
If you haven't talked to the people in charge at the McLean, I think you could help them out. It's a lovely little museum
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« Reply #94 on: March 23, 2018, 08:51:10 PM »
Quote from: Nearly Sane on March 23, 2018, 07:32:53 PM
If you haven't talked to the people in charge at the McLean, I think you could help them out. It's a lovely little museum
   



I'm almost certain Cambell Price - the guy in charge of the Egyptian departments of both Liver pool and Manchester Uni Egyptology departments and the museum collections of both cities - has had a look. He's a Scot, and has rooted about various central belt Egyptian collections, including Paisley, Falkirk and Stirling - he was the one who confirmed my suspicions regarding the Dick Institute shabtis.
I'll let him know, NS.

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Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
« Reply #95 on: March 27, 2018, 05:23:56 PM »
Quote from: wigginhall on March 21, 2018, 04:35:35 PM
Jim, I was watching a BBC2 film last night on Karnak.   There were lots of things in it which boggled my mind, not least the sheer size of the place, but she said that a lot of grave-robbing there was instigated by various priests, who had bodies unwrapped and rewrapped, so that gold and other valuables could be taken.   Is this correct?  I guess it is, as otherwise she would not have broadcast it, (Joann Fletcher).

Also stuff about a town dump they found, with various messages on bits of pot, e.g. 'get six loaves'.

I am a fan, anyway, and must start reading about it.

Glad you mentioned this. I'd missed the start of the series, but I see there's another episode tonight.
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Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
« Reply #96 on: March 27, 2018, 05:40:25 PM »
Quote from: Anchorman on March 05, 2018, 01:48:33 PM
There's a bit in the New Testament where Philip encounters an 'Ethiopian'. What he probably encountered was a Kushite. These were an amalgum of African and Egyptian cultures, who had a quasi-Egyptian state - complete with albeit wierd looking pyramids, which lasted feom around 700BC - 400 AD, going through various phases. Here's the latest find from Nubia - a Kushite King - Asphalta - i all his finery. https://www.livescience.com/61801-ancient-statue-nubian-king.html#undefined.gbpl

Did they have a habit of castrating any male who gained a position of authority, or was Philip's eunuch just a one-off (or maybe two or even three. Sorry).
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« Reply #97 on: March 27, 2018, 08:09:32 PM »
Quote from: Dicky Underpants on March 27, 2018, 05:23:56 PM
Glad you mentioned this. I'd missed the start of the series, but I see there's another episode tonight.
All four episodeshave been kicking around Youtube for a couple of years, if you can't get them on iplayer, DU.
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« Reply #98 on: March 27, 2018, 08:12:25 PM »
Quote from: Dicky Underpants on March 27, 2018, 05:40:25 PM
Did they have a habit of castrating any male who gained a position of authority, or was Philip's eunuch just a one-off (or maybe two or even three. Sorry).
   




Dunno about that.....but they had a habit of circumcising adults and burying donkeys with their kings....
'nuff said.....
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« Reply #99 on: April 04, 2018, 06:57:40 PM »
Siwa. Alexander the Great was here. So were a lot of Greeks and Romans....and now archaeologists, who have uncovered a temple complex. http://luxortimesmagazine.blogspot.co.uk/2018/04/egyptian-archaeologists-discover-greaco.html#!/2018/04/egyptian-archaeologists-discover-greaco.html
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