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Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
« Reply #325 on: October 26, 2020, 10:33:25 PM »
 Missed this one; though it's pretty rare.
The owner of this fine coffin is described as 'high priest of Djehuty', and the coffin dates from the twenty-sixth dynasty.
From my 'Coffins of Ancient Egypt' reference, this looks like midway through the period, I'd say around 575 BC, given the changing fashions in coffins.
Djehuty, by the way, was the deity the Greeks knew as Thoth, and to find one of his priests is a rarity.
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Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
« Reply #326 on: October 28, 2020, 10:09:00 PM »
 A heads up for what looks like an interesting programme if you have Netflix
It's virtually unheard of to have an intact tomb from Egypt's fifth dynasty, the time of the so-called 'Sun kinks', because of their devotion to the cult of Re at Heliopolis, and their unique 'sun temples'.
Neferirkare's reign is relatively well documented; his pyramid - what's left of it - has fine internal decoration.
This particular tomb yielded a massive haul of statues, as well as several biographical inscriptions  lauding the owner - but the surprise came when it came to analysing the semi-mummified remains themselves
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1352664/egypt-secrets-saqqara-tomb-netflix-wahtye-pharaoh-archaeology-ancient-history-bone-spt?fbclid=IwAR2SuqkKioEMICA9lv1TrYs6BLcDdhWpD3MWIfl
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Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
« Reply #327 on: November 03, 2020, 10:23:25 AM »
 Not Egyptian, but African-Egyptian.
The kingdom of Kush lasted well into the fourth century AD, and was an amalgam of African and Egyptian culture and religion, with many aspects of the Egyptian religion imported into the culture.
One of these was the pyramid.
Pyramid building went out of fashion in Egypt around 1800 BC....but it was revived by the Kushites in the seventh century BC and endured till the Islamic era.
Indeed, it survived the Christian presence; quite a few Kushite and Ethiopian rulers were buried Egyptian style whilst professing Christianity.
Here's an intriguing discovery shedding new light on the Kushite civilisation
https://archaeology-world.com/archaeologists-discover-35-burial-chambers-in-the-sudan-desert-with-fascinating-links-to-ancient-egypt/?fbclid=IwAR2MUrEdm4lzamk-qMPLxSDrX44rF90V51eENuMCnNYA0vLE3s8_en5wl8k
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Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
« Reply #328 on: November 03, 2020, 05:42:25 PM »
 If you've nothing better to do during lock down, have a listen to this lecture by Prof Aid an Dodson, giving his take on one of the most controversial personages of Ancient Egypt, Nefertiti, wife and co-ruler of Akhenaten, whom many believed - probably wrongly - was the first monotheist.
I've one or two disagreements with Aid an here, but, given the topic, put five Egyptologists in a room and you'll end up with seven opinions and a couple of broken ribs.
It's still worth a look, though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_CCmpBVH0g&fbclid=IwAR0JfkVq3f6QU882B9s5qir1Y7wlGeG3nKmdwoyoUwEo_7HHz-RN6eqck2k
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Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
« Reply #329 on: November 04, 2020, 03:36:02 PM »
Quote from: Anchorman on November 03, 2020, 05:42:25 PM
If you've nothing better to do during lock down, have a listen to this lecture by Prof Aid an Dodson, giving his take on one of the most controversial personages of Ancient Egypt, Nefertiti, wife and co-ruler of Akhenaten, whom many believed - probably wrongly - was the first monotheist.
I've one or two disagreements with Aid an here, but, given the topic, put five Egyptologists in a room and you'll end up with seven opinions and a couple of broken ribs.
It's still worth a look, though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_CCmpBVH0g&fbclid=IwAR0JfkVq3f6QU882B9s5qir1Y7wlGeG3nKmdwoyoUwEo_7HHz-RN6eqck2k
Interesting posts as usual. I don't know about watching the lecture, I'll see.
 I read a lot about Nefertiti years ago.
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Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
« Reply #330 on: November 04, 2020, 07:27:01 PM »
Quote from: SusanDoris on November 04, 2020, 03:36:02 PM
Interesting posts as usual. I don't know about watching the lecture, I'll see.
 I read a lot about Nefertiti years ago.
   



The Amarna period remains as fascinating as ever, Susan. The more we uncover, the more questions we have.
The old nineteenth century idea of Akhenaten and the utopian paradise he built for his new one god has ben torn to shreds years ago; now the concentration is on Nefertiti, who ruled as King Ankhkheperure Neferneferuaten...and may or may not have been both Tutankhamun's mother and co-regent.
Then there's a king Smenkhare to throw in the mix...who may have been a brother of Tut, a brother of Akhenaten....or, believe it or believe it not, simply another name for Nefertiti as king!
There are umpteen theories going round, each as plausible as the other....you pays your money, you takes your choice!
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Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
« Reply #331 on: November 10, 2020, 09:34:12 AM »
 Must be the pandemic' 'cos  there's a lot of coffin....... Sorry. Watch this space for yet another spectacular haul of very high quality coffins and mummies from Saqqara. From what I'm told, many of the coffins contain not only mummies, but funerary papyri,which shed light on not only the deceased, but the times in which they lived - in these instances, Egypt's 26th dynasty - the Saite Period. A friend emailed me to say that a substantial number of the mummies may be of Greek or even Hebrew origin, which ties into the Saite kings' recruiting mercenary troops to bolster Egypt's defences. https://www.egypttoday.com/Article/4/94052/Egypt-to-announce-discovery-of-100-more-coffins-in-Saqqara?fbclid=IwAR1NRzt8oF03I9Js40WgF_QhOXb6doOSEldp1NVmqyWORZpyFyv4Tld_s_8
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Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
« Reply #332 on: November 14, 2020, 04:38:38 PM »
       Spectacular reveal of over 100 coffined mummies and at least 40 superbly gilded funerary statues from a cache tomb dating to the twenty-sixth dynasty.. This has turned out to be one of the most spectacular and, more importantly, historically significant finds of the decade. A friend of mine who is on site is bowled over by the condition of many of these coffins, which contain, not only mummies, but funerary papyri and evidence which will enable us to date them almost to the month of their burial. I'm reliably informed that, although research has barely scratched the surface of the find, some of the individuals are of Carian Greek and Hebrew origin, which would be a find indeed, and tie into the Saite dynasty rulers' policy of importing foreign mercenary troops and officials to bolster up their regime, which was a reconstituted state after the Nubian and Assyrian conquests. https://english.alarabiya.net/en/life-style/travel-and-tourism/2020/11/14/Egypt-unveils-100-ancient-coffins-statues-found-in-Saqqara And http://english.ahram.org.eg/News/393774.aspx?fbclid=IwAR0B2I7gB1of6hhbE5jR0qwXH2Wa_5I50EaS9wXL7MMCI2dofB2eX-Img14
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« Reply #333 on: December 10, 2020, 11:37:04 AM »
 A rather fascinating investigation showing the sophisticated level of science behind the inks used in Egyptian writing.
https://www.wired.com/story/high-energy-x-rays-reveal-the-secrets-of-ancient-egyptian-ink/?fbclid=IwAR07wP_lm1NiIwHRl8ldv0RATWVK1TvWeIdqO__FOf2c1pIQJ9GXjEN2Tes
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Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
« Reply #334 on: December 15, 2020, 10:40:01 AM »
 Watch this space.
Yet more finds from Saqqara, this time dating from the eighteenth and nineteenth dynasties -1800 -1100 BC), to be officially unveiled next month.
Unfortunately, the excavation is led by Zahi Hawass, the Marmite of Egyptologists, but you can't have everything.
Here's a taster.....
https://see.news/a-recent-archaeological-discovery-saqqara-zahi-hawass/?fbclid=IwAR3Fjz56xZrFdkJLVxa14yuCrMrv-U2HxL27BllkJgenQ7kmnEEaPVco2Gs
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Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
« Reply #335 on: December 16, 2020, 08:55:57 AM »
 It's amazing the things you find in a cigar box.
This is a very precious piece of scrap wood - one of the few fragments ever found in the Great Pyramid...and turning up in Aberdeen of all places.
Mind you, many museums have bits and pieces they simply haven't catalogued properly - and I suspect there are more hidden gems to find, such as a fragment from Bolton which opened a whole can of worms to Amarna scholars.
Anyway, this has set heads scratching; C14 dating seems to indicate that the wood is four hundred years older than the date we thought was the best guess for the construction of the pyramid itself.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetland-55315623
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Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
« Reply #336 on: December 17, 2020, 08:31:54 PM »
It's in the stars.
A nice report, with pics, on the restoration of star maps - Egyptian style - showing superb colours.
My only quibble is in the intro, where it describes Seth as 'god of evil'. The Egyptians themselves had no god of evil. Set was a god of chaos (isfet) opposing order (Horus 'Ma'at')
The 'god od evil' bit was a Greek re-imagining of the complex Egyptian mythology.
https://www.livescience.com/ancient-egyptian-star-constellations.html?fbclid=IwAR0XoEmyLCxCLRVkwK-jlqWgxy9Xis1brtNuorOvrdPxEJhAH1LljS2Of9M
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Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
« Reply #337 on: December 18, 2020, 08:12:03 AM »
All very interesting. As far as pyramid dating is concerned, what's 400 years one way or the other!  :)
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Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
« Reply #338 on: December 18, 2020, 08:51:41 AM »
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All very interesting. As far as pyramid dating is concerned, what's 400 years one way or the other!  :)
   


Well, it might save the increasing baldness of some Old Kingdom experts...they're scratching their heads a  lot now.
But what difference would it make?
Quite a lot, Susan - because it throws the entire chronology of Egypt off kilter...since we know the approximate reign length of mot of the rulers, we calculate the dates from there. We assume the dating from 2800 BC until 2000 BC can be plus or minus twenty years...but four hundred years would be problematic.
Of course, that bit of wood might be some kind of relic [- antique - when it was put into the building; however some have suggested it was part of a ruler used to measure building blocks, and I can't understand why anyone would use a five hundred year old ruler when building what was then a modern structure.
The best way to solve this puzzle would be to use a fragment of a papyrus - the oldest known papyrus - found a few years back. This is a document written by a gang master engage in transporting blocks to the site, and perhaps a tiny blank sliver could be sacrificed to radiocarbon date it.
That might negate the wooden fragment.
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« Reply #339 on: December 18, 2020, 01:29:03 PM »
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Well, it might save the increasing baldness of some Old Kingdom experts...they're scratching their heads a  lot now.
But what difference would it make?
Quite a lot, Susan - because it throws the entire chronology of Egypt off kilter...since we know the approximate reign length of mot of the rulers, we calculate the dates from there. We assume the dating from 2800 BC until 2000 BC can be plus or minus twenty years...but four hundred years would be problematic.
Of course, that bit of wood might be some kind of relic [- antique - when it was put into the building; however some have suggested it was part of a ruler used to measure building blocks, and I can't understand why anyone would use a five hundred year old ruler when building what was then a modern structure.
The best way to solve this puzzle would be to use a fragment of a papyrus - the oldest known papyrus - found a few years back. This is a document written by a gang master engage in transporting blocks to the site, and perhaps a tiny blank sliver could be sacrificed to radiocarbon date it.
That might negate the wooden fragment.
I was thinking more in terms of human chronology in general, but very interesting about the dating of papyri.
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« Reply #340 on: January 16, 2021, 07:50:27 PM »
 Further updates, with quite detailed info, on the remarkable finds at Saqqara last Autumn.
This elevates the little-understood cult of royal ancestor worship to a new level, and may help to reinforce the theory that Akhemnaten's religious revolution was actually a syncretism of pre-existing Sun worship with the cult of divine kingship personified in the king's own father.
And you wonder why Egyptian religion gives me a headache?
http://english.ahram.org.eg/News/398931.aspx?fbclid=IwAR2LwuY9EZTar-5T-PpGTzTNaCmVTQPG7GkFxETkl_Urme1C6hVCys0evkk
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« Reply #341 on: January 23, 2021, 12:37:17 PM »
       A nice write up, plus some good pics, from the latest Saqqara discoveries. The focus on the funerary goods of a late eighteenth dynasty couple is interesting. The name 'Mutemwiya' is telling; it's very rare, and the lady in question may have been named after the mother of kung Amenhotep III, thus dating the mummy to around 1350 BC. https://www.livescience.com/queen-temple-book-of-dead-found-egypt.html
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« Reply #342 on: February 03, 2021, 09:21:36 AM »
     This one's new, and demonstrates the evolution of religious thought through the ages.
One of the epithets to describe the dead was 'true of voice', meaning that they could answer the many questions posed them in the 'book of the dead' by the gods.
This Greco-Roman find shows tongue amulets made of gold leaf (the 'flesh of the gods', thus identifying the deceased with Osiris) placed in what were otherwise bog standard lower middle class mummies.
https://www.livescience.com/mummy-with-gold-tongue-discovered.html?fbclid=IwAR1vMVVlerwtMG8hPVTaui_2QSRVwtwvMOFCofw7U_txniAwgIDx8irdK-k
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« Reply #343 on: February 15, 2021, 02:58:12 PM »
      This isn't news, but, if you've nothing better to do, have a look at this site - "Theban Mummy Project".
It does what it says on the tin.
This page in particular
http://anubis4_2000.tripod.com/SpecialExhibits/YuyaTuyu.htm?fbclid=IwAR2zxwb5vhmD_JGV9jnxByEHFdIemaofF0STtwa6tk4oxcuyiev94PzESKY

gives a great overview of what was the most sensational find in Egypt before Tutankhamun's tomb; the tomb of Yuya and Thuyu, very high ranking nobles from around 1370 BC, whose tomb was found almost intact.
The contents were astonishing...and the fact that the couple were Tutankhamun's great grandparents simply added to their importance.
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« Reply #344 on: February 15, 2021, 04:25:10 PM »
Quote from: Anchorman on February 15, 2021, 02:58:12 PM
      This isn't news, but, if you've nothing better to do, have a look at this site - "Theban Mummy Project".
It does what it says on the tin.
This page in particular
http://anubis4_2000.tripod.com/SpecialExhibits/YuyaTuyu.htm?fbclid=IwAR2zxwb5vhmD_JGV9jnxByEHFdIemaofF0STtwa6tk4oxcuyiev94PzESKY

gives a great overview of what was the most sensational find in Egypt before Tutankhamun's tomb; the tomb of Yuya and Thuyu, very high ranking nobles from around 1370 BC, whose tomb was found almost intact.
The contents were astonishing...and the fact that the couple were Tutankhamun's great grandparents simply added to their importance.
Sounds interesting. Amazing when you think that all those tombs in the Valley of the Kings (and Queens) with their artwork and wonderful treasures plus all the other thousands of finds in different locations were just there for thousands of years undiscovered.
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« Reply #345 on: February 15, 2021, 08:18:07 PM »
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Sounds interesting. Amazing when you think that all those tombs in the Valley of the Kings (and Queens) with their artwork and wonderful treasures plus all the other thousands of finds in different locations were just there for thousands of years undiscovered.
       

       

 The Kings Valley and the surrounding necropoli are a magnet for tourists - or would be if this mess was over - and Tutankhamun is always a great crowd puller.
Of course, the Amarna period and its' aftermath have always been a favourite  period of mine - but I wish the incredible finds made by Pierre Montet in the Delta in the late 1930's were better known to the wider world.
Three intact royal tombs, four other very high ranking burials, gods an silver work to rival anything in Tutankhamun's tomb, but that damn chap Hitler put the kibosh on the publicity.
The Tanite necropolis was located under the ruins of the temple of Amun at Tanis - and I was really lucky to have been part of a three month dig in 1980, when we excavated a midden are just to the north of that complex.
Most of the stone buildings - temples, obelisks, the lot, had been moved brick by brick, colossal statue by colossal statue, from Piramess, the city built by Ra messes II, but which had been abandoned as the course of the Nile changed.
The feat of moving an entire city rivals the building of pyramids or the Theban Temples, and, until Tanis was rediscovered, we had thought the rulers of the twenty first dynasty ephemeral; we now know this was far from the case.
Anyway, here's an article on the objects found at the Montet dig.

https://archive.archaeology.org/0505/abstracts/tanis.html
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« Reply #346 on: February 16, 2021, 06:51:02 AM »
Ok, that is my task for today! Go to that link and find out more. Thank you.
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« Reply #347 on: March 06, 2021, 11:04:28 AM »
 Not a new find, but new-ish; these are great pics from a recently discovered tomb at Luxor.
The Dra abu-el-naga necropolis isn't as well known as it should be; a burial ground for over eight centuries, for nobles, craftsmen, officials, and high status members of the court in Egypt, with over four hundred tombs excavated so far.
Not only that; it was a royal burial ground before the valley of the Kings became the des res for the afterlife.
Kings of the sixteenth and seventeenth dynasties, when Egypt was split into fragments, were buried here - some of the surviving coffins are in the British museum; the very earliest king of the eighteenth dynasty was also interred here - we don't know where, but the robbers found out millennia ago, as his mummy went on several journeys, ending up in one of the royal cache tombs, around 1000 BC.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/11/24/egyptian-archaeologists-unveil-newly-discovered-luxor-tombs/?fbclid=IwAR2R1pdkfKVV6LzIHOgPgRI1HMZItfPdY42mJ0QqcWGuUYEuZEc4_4MmzLs
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« Reply #348 on: March 20, 2021, 09:27:43 AM »
 A rather extraordinary event - labelled "The march of the dead" is upcoming next month.
The Royal mummies are being moved from the Cairo museum to the Museum of Egyptian civilisation.
They've been in the Cairo since their discovery in the late nineteenth century, where two cache tombs, labelled DB320 and KV 35, were found to contain literally dozens of royal mummies of the Eighteenth, nineteenth and twentieth dynasties (1590 -1000 BC) as well as some very high ranking priest kings of the Theban twenty first dynasty.
Most of these mummies had been stripped of all jewellery by the state, after a spare of tomb robberies, and probably because Upper Egypt was strapped for wealth, their bodies wrapped in linen and placed in crude wooden coffins.
The DB320 cache was found after Egyptologists followed a crime gang which had first found it and was selling antiquities from it to tourists.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8mS0WuV2tM
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Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
« Reply #349 on: March 30, 2021, 02:54:57 PM »
 I'm never one for those digital reconstruction thingies, but I'll make an exception here.
These spectacular images are of the Malqata - the modern Arabic name for the remains of the magnificent palace built by Amenhotep III, and occupied for around thirty years, being last used by Tutankhamun and his successor (and uncle) Aye.
This was mainly a working palace and not the main seat of power; though today we see Luxor with its' incredible ruins as the main Egyptian capital in Pharonic times, it was no such thing; the main royal residence, right from times long before the pyramids were thought of, was Men-nefer...Memphis, now submerged beneath modern Cairo.
Nevertheless , Malqata showed signs of opulence, with evidence of imported artwork from Minoan Crete, Greece, Turkey and the Levant, as well as Egypt herself.
https://antiqueprofil.wixsite.com/palais3d/r%C3%A9alisations?fbclid=IwAR2c_yqclW-V9dJGK_3-2LibyqUesORAGUf_ZgVArFbyOJYIBILg8yVD_lA
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