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Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
« Reply #350 on: April 03, 2021, 09:18:22 AM »
 A royal procession.
Egypt's tourist bods are really hyping the moving of the royal mummies to their new, hopefully final, home.
Bells, whistles, horses galore..but, with any luck, no camels.

https://www.egyptindependent.com/mummies-on-the-move-what-to-expect-during-the-pharaohs-golden-parade-on-saturday/?fbclid=IwAR3EePUFpmER7VRIX7TIbPn3zC2HnIzOse7RkLCrNXXgQw3VK25f27styJc
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Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
« Reply #351 on: April 08, 2021, 02:12:43 PM »
 This is a cut and paste, and I have permission to copy it. It concerns a massive, and major, find at Luxor; an excavation which will take years to complete - an entire city complex dating to the end of the eighteenth dynasty, and the importance of the find cannot be understated. The official announcement of the find will be made tomorrow, but here's what we know so far: Dr. Zahi Hawass. . Zahi Hawass Announces Discovery of 'Lost Golden City' in Luxor The Egyptian mission under Dr. Zahi Hawass found the city that was lost under the sands and called: The Rise of Aten. The city is 3000 years old, dates to the reign of Amenhotep III, and continued to be used by Tutankhamun and Ay. 'Many foreign missions searched for this city and never found it. We began our work searching for the mortuary temple of Tutankhamun because the temples of both Horemheb and Ay were found in this area'  Hawass said. The Egyptian expedition was surprised to discover the largest city ever found in Egypt. Founded by one of the greatest rulers of Egypt, king Amenhotep III, the ninth king of the 18th dynasty who ruled Egypt from 1391 till 1353 B.C, this city was active during the great king's co-regency with his son, the famous Amenhotep IV/Akhenaton. It was the largest administrative and industrial settlement in the era of the Egyptian empire on the western bank of Luxor. 'The city's streets are flanked by houses, which some of their walls are up to3 meters high,' Hawass continued, 'we can reveal that the city extends to the west, all the way to the famous Deir el-Medina.' Betsy Brian, Professor of Egyptology at John Hopkins University in Baltimore USA, said 'The discovery of this lost city is the second most important archeological discovery since the tomb of Tutankhamun". "The discovery of the Lost City, not only will give us a rare glimpse into the life of the Ancient Egyptians at the time where the Empire was at his wealthiest but will help us shed light on one of history's greatest mystery: why did Akhenaten & Nefertiti decide to move to Amarna," Brian added. The excavation area is sandwiched between Rameses III's temple at Medinet Habu and Amenhotep III's temple at Memnon. The Egyptian mission started working in this area in search of Tutankhamun's Mortuary Temple. Tutankhamun's successor, King Ay, built his temple on a site which was later adjoined on its southern side by Rameses III's temple at Medinet Habu. Egyptologists believe Ay's temple may formerly have belonged to Tutankhamun as two colossal statues of the young king were found there. The northern part of the temple is still under the sands. The excavation started in September 2020 and within weeks, to the team's great surprise, formations of mud bricks began to appear in all directions. What they unearthed was the site of a large city in a good condition of preservation, with almost complete walls, and with rooms filled with tools of daily life. The archaeological layers have laid untouched for thousands of years, left by the ancient residents as if it were yesterday. The first goal of the mission was to date this settlement. Hieroglyphic inscriptions found on clay caps of wine vessels. Historical references tell us the settlement consisted of three royal palaces of King Amenhotep III, as well as the Empire's administrative and industrial center. A large number of archaeological finds, such as rings, scarabs, colored pottery vessels, and mud bricks bearing seals of King Amenhotep III's cartouche, confirmed the dating of the city. After only seven months of excavation, several areas or neighborhoods have been uncovered. In the southern part, the mission found a bakery, a cooking and food preparation area, complete with ovens and storage pottery. From its size, we can state the kitchen was catering a very large number of workers and employees. The second area which is still partly uncovered, is the administrative and residential district, with larger and well-arranged units. This area is fenced in by a zigzag wall, with only one access point leading to internal corridors and residential areas. The single entrance makes us think it was some sort of security, with the ability to control entry and exit to enclosed areas. Zigzag walls are one of the rare architectural elements in ancient Egyptian architecture, mainly used towards the end of the 18th Dynasty. The third area is the workshop. On one side, the production area for the mud bricks used to build temples and annexes. The bricks have seals bearing the cartouche of King Amenhotep III (Neb Maat Ra). On the other, a large number of casting molds for the production of amulets and delicate decorative elements. This is further evidence of the extensive activity in the city to produce decorations for both temples and tombs. All over the excavated areas, the mission has found many tools used in some sort of industrial activity like spinning and weaving. Metal and glass-making slag has also been unearthed, but the main area of such activity has yet to be discovered. Two unusual burials of a cow or bull were found inside one of the rooms. Investigations are underway to determine the nature and purpose of this practice. And even more remarkable burial of a person found with arms outstretched to his side, and remains of a rope wrapped around his knees. The location and position of this skeleton are rather odd, and more investigations are in progress. One of the most recent finds of a vessel containing 2 gallons of dried or boiled meat (about 10 kg), has a valuable inscription: Year 37, dressed meat for the third Heb Sed festival from the slaughterhouse of the stockyard of Kha made by the butcher luwy. This valuable information, not only gives us the names of two people that lived and worked in the city but confirmed that the city was active and the time of King Amenhotep III's co-regency with his son Akhenaten. The excavation also reveals a mud seal with inscriptions that can be read: "gm pa Aton" that can be translated as " the domain of the dazzling Aten", this is the name of a temple built by King Akhenaten at Karnak. As history goes, one year after this pot was made, the city was abandoned and the capital relocated to Amarna. But was it? And why? And was the city repopulated again when Tutankhamun returned to Thebes? Only further excavations of the area will reveal what truly happened 3500 years ago. To the north of the settlement a large cemetery was uncovered, the extent of which has yet to be determined. So far, the mission has discovered a group of rock-cut tombs of different sizes that can be reached through stairs carved into the rock. A common feature of tomb construction in the Valley of the Kings and in the Valley of the Nobles. Work is underway to document the extent of the necropolis; many tombs appear to be intact and unopened.
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Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
« Reply #352 on: April 10, 2021, 09:33:37 AM »
 Some pics from the latest discovery; the new 'lost city' found near Luxor.
I'd be a bit careful about the article; the writer seems to think we have the history of the period completed.
We don't.
One glaring example is that it mentions a co-regency between Amenhotep III and his son Akhenaten.
Get five Egyptologists in a room to discuss this, and you'll end up with eight theories, several bloody noses and a cauliflower ear; it's one of the most disputed periods in Egypt's history, and all the more fascinating for that.
Anyway, the pics are good.
https://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/9/40/408778/Heritage/Ancient-Egypt/In-Photos-Egyptologist-Zahi-Hawass-announces-disco.aspx?fbclid=IwAR2mZpblZmLZMRoUdlWtVKF8pPZ9moLWpzfytDKr1rq7-XnnhIA_Bikw01k
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Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
« Reply #353 on: April 11, 2021, 09:32:35 PM »
      Some really superb images from the new city site discovery.
The name of the place 'Dazzling Aten" echoes a royal barge built by Amenhotep III, who promoted the solar cult of Aten, which had started to rise, possibly as a bulwark against the Theban Amun priesthood, in the time of his grandfather, Amenhotep II.
The cult would see its' full flowering in the timer of his son, Akhenaten
That this city complex, placed slap bang in the middle of Luxor, Amun's main centre, yet dedicated to Aten, is immensely significant..
Already the artefacts recovered are pretty significant, the walls exposed are in superb condition, and inscriptions bearing the names of several kings and royal personages discovered.
https://trendswide.com/first-look-inside-egypts-lost-golden-city/?fbclid=IwAR0dBei7HpjzdDOiZXLbF5OTz5WuG5Gmm70TyqEDAfU6XceaBSTWJSM0dZc
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Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
« Reply #354 on: April 11, 2021, 09:40:46 PM »
Just wow!

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Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
« Reply #355 on: April 11, 2021, 09:53:22 PM »
Just wow!
     




Yep.
The Amarna period has always drawn me....umpteen theories propounded depending on the viewpoint of the writer....even Freud (Sigmund, not Clement) put his oar in.
Nowadays, the theories are sort of coming together...and the old ideas of a peaceful monotheistic paradise invented by a 'dreamer king' have disappeared up the Nile like a tourist pursued by a hoard of huxters.
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Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
« Reply #356 on: April 12, 2021, 09:50:17 AM »
 .....and part of the press coverage of the new find, which should have hit the media on Friday, with video of the actual ruins uncovered so far.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwQt8bXsHc4
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Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
« Reply #358 on: April 30, 2021, 03:30:53 PM »
Wow....maybe my mummy wasn't a priest.........
https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory/egyptian-mummy-pregnant-woman-male-priest-77394998?fbclid=IwAR2jLQlPYI8lZPVham8bfpsvCXUBp59fh-T9HClSpJGn14iH-GMbU-mMGI0
I  bet there's more to this story than meets the eye. Do they imply that the mummy had not had any of the bandages etc removed before now?
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Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
« Reply #359 on: April 30, 2021, 03:39:42 PM »
I  bet there's more to this story than meets the eye. Do they imply that the mummy had not had any of the bandages etc removed before now?
     




Probably.
There hasn't been an official mummy unwrapping since the late 1960s (Though the great prof Rosilie Davies did some work on a few which had already been partially stripped in Manchester and Liverpool unis in the '70s)
The practice is to CT, x-ray and MRI scan mummies nowadays.
When I did some vluntary work at the BM conservation lab for my degree, we put some of the mummies stored in the various vaults through CT and x-ray units which we'd borrowed from UCL.
The process was fascinating, and somewhat humbling as well.
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Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
« Reply #360 on: May 14, 2021, 09:50:48 PM »
A nice video announcing new finds at the largely unknown necropolis in Upper Egypt first noticed only about a decade ago, but has recently yielded over 200 tombs dating from around 2200 -320 BC...a wide range indeed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XS9Ww9pNiOk
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Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
« Reply #361 on: May 15, 2021, 07:13:57 AM »
A nice video announcing new finds at the largely unknown necropolis in Upper Egypt first noticed only about a decade ago, but has recently yielded over 200 tombs dating from around 2200 -320 BC...a wide range indeed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XS9Ww9pNiOk
I won't try and watch the video, but when you think about all the tombs, towns and remains of temples etc etc that have been discovered during the past hundred years or so, it makes you - well it does make me! - think about the population numbers and the fact that they certainy thrived because of the numbers required to design, excavate, often decorate and then (usually?) seal the tombs.
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Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
« Reply #362 on: May 15, 2021, 09:12:17 AM »
I won't try and watch the video, but when you think about all the tombs, towns and remains of temples etc etc that have been discovered during the past hundred years or so, it makes you - well it does make me! - think about the population numbers and the fact that they certainy thrived because of the numbers required to design, excavate, often decorate and then (usually?) seal the tombs.
     



Hi, Susan.
The population probably remained around one and a half million during the Old and Middle Kingdoms, rising to between two and three million in New Kingdom times.
When you think of, say, Babylonia at its peak had maybe one and a half million, and the Roman Em pie under Ceaser had perhaps ten million souls, that puts numbers into perspective.
The incredible fertility of the Nile, with its annual inundation bringing a superabundance of mineral rich mud to fertilise crops, was the crucial factor in defining, not only Egypt's prosperity, but her existence as the world's first nation-state with a sense of its' own identity.
As far as finds go?
Probably less than half of what was buried in the desert has yet been found.
There are three new temple sites being excavated in the Delta, two more in Middle Egypt, and the new palace-city at Luxor, as well as necropolis digs at Sakkara, Gebel el-Sisila, Dra abu el Naga, Tuna-el-Gebel...and on,and on, and on.
There are two excavations in the Valley of the Kings, one of which has found foundation deposits which almost always indicate a high status tomb in the near vicinity....but so far the actual tomb has escaped detection. Were it found, due to its' proximity to the tomb of Amenhotep II, it would probably belong to the Amenhotep-Akhenaten-Tutankhamun family
Watch this space.......

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Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
« Reply #363 on: May 15, 2021, 10:50:45 AM »
Anchorman

Thank you for interesting response. Will you please tell all these archaeologists etc to hurry up and get on with it - I want to know all  the answers while I'm still alive! :D
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Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
« Reply #364 on: May 15, 2021, 02:05:01 PM »
Anchorman Thank you for interesting response. Will you please tell all these archaeologists etc to hurry up and get on with it - I want to know all  the answers while I'm still alive! :D
I'm not getting any younger either! The problem with excavating in the Kings' Valley used to be tourism...even, well, especially, Howard Carter was plagued with them, wanting a look, an invite, asking questions, etc. Eight years earlier, the widow of Napoleon III almost wrecked a priceless decorated throne in the nearly intact tomb of Yuya and Tuyu by sitting on it for a rest! Nowadays, the problem is terrorism. Luxor is a hot bet of Islamic Extremism, and any dig in the Valley has to have security built in. For the same reason, these digs are now led by Egyptian Egyptologists as a matter of course, in an effort to try to prevent trouble. A sign of the times.
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Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
« Reply #365 on: May 20, 2021, 09:47:05 AM »
        This is a brilliant article from the Smithsonian,demonstrating the amount of information one can glean from the most unlikely sources; in this case, a mummified shrew dating from the late Ptolemaic or early Roman periods.
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/blogs/national-museum-of-natural-history/2021/05/18/mummified-shrew-discovery-unearths-ancient-egypts-wetter-climate/?fbclid=IwAR3r_jzIaljRFI27jsXLxR941_gsG9RuAgX4-0jD_3ROyPlSYmOfLFQSC3I
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Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
« Reply #366 on: June 01, 2021, 08:48:08 AM »
       Egypt blowing her own trumpet...and tantalising the curious.
Yes, it's blurb aimed at the media, but I'm getting info that this 'big discovery' may be something rather significant.
We already know of a tomb entrance in the Valley of the Kings tentatively labelled KV 64, but there are two further spots in the valley which seem to be rather significant, both of which have been sealed off to tourists and visitors for the past two months.
Watch this space.....
https://dailynewsegypt.com/2021/05/30/another-royal-parade-in-egypt-avenue-of-sphinxes-and-huge-archaeological-discovery-coming/?fbclid=IwAR2IQyd4-w6g5s7XrZyVv_b5gjNbnANEWLrpocH-HC-N2peFukgbrWDenxk
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Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
« Reply #367 on: June 01, 2021, 10:43:01 AM »
       Egypt blowing her own trumpet...and tantalising the curious.
Yes, it's blurb aimed at the media, but I'm getting info that this 'big discovery' may be something rather significant.
We already know of a tomb entrance in the Valley of the Kings tentatively labelled KV 64, but there are two further spots in the valley which seem to be rather significant, both of which have been sealed off to tourists and visitors for the past two months.
Watch this space.....
https://dailynewsegypt.com/2021/05/30/another-royal-parade-in-egypt-avenue-of-sphinxes-and-huge-archaeological-discovery-coming/?fbclid=IwAR2IQyd4-w6g5s7XrZyVv_b5gjNbnANEWLrpocH-HC-N2peFukgbrWDenxk
One of the big advantages that Egypt has on this is that such finds simply can't e faked! It's amazing how much more there might be left to find.



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Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
« Reply #368 on: June 01, 2021, 12:34:54 PM »
One of the big advantages that Egypt has on this is that such finds simply can't e faked! It's amazing how much more there might be left to find.
   


P.S. I do hope the lack of 'unread posts since last visit' is only a temporary thing. It is either the forum slowing down almost to a halt or, more likely, I've done something to the computer which means they are not showing properly.


We know that there are several 'famous faces' still to find in the Eighteenth Dynasty who's who of royalty, and there should be a tomb in the Valley for Amenhotep I - as we have his mummy, therefore his tomb is there, somewhere.Also, there remains the question of the whereabouts of the 'priest kings' of the divided twenty-first dynasty - who ruled from Thebes, and who were very active when it came to building bits onto the Karnak temple estates.
Equally, several pretty significant 'great Royal Wives' - if you like, queens, should be in the Valley,or nearby.
A friend of mine, Chris Naunton, who recently published a book on these 'missing' tombs, calculated that there should be twenty seven major finds of the eighteenth to twenty second dynasties yet to find
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Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
« Reply #369 on: June 29, 2021, 07:34:02 PM »
 This article shows that the trade in stolen or illegally exported artefacts from Egypt shows no sign of ending any time soon. Even legal items require strict permits, certificates and authentification before export [ you have to jump through hoops if you wish to obtain something. I have a 'shavti' figure from the twenty sixth dynasty, probably made for king Psamtik II. There are a further three hundred such items - the compliment for a royal burial - known. They appeared on the illegal market in the later  nineteenth century, indicating that tomb robbers beat us to Psamtik's resting place - which we haven't, as yet, found. I acquired mine through an Egyptologist friend way back in 1980, and even them I has to have a folder dull of paperwork from both Cairo and London confirming legality. The ten thousand or so items smuggled out of Egypt in the last fifteen years, sadly, have no indication of provenance, location or context. https://www.egypttoday.com/Article/4/105348/Egypt-recovers-3-smuggled-artifacts-from-UK-before-sale-to?fbclid=IwAR3CJgBnpU50Z13fYGXCRGqAAyOMGbQMzURCJIJY8gCHRRP-hrQGzU8uwbs
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Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
« Reply #370 on: July 12, 2021, 10:09:21 AM »
 Messing about on the (solar) river.
The second 'solar barque' in the boat pit found near the pyramid of Khufu is to be fully excavated and reconstructed.
These boats were buried with fourth dynasty kings (and a few Great Royal wives as well) to carry the 'ka' of the king as they journeyed with the Sun god Re in his sojourn through the night sky.
They were probably sailed up from Memphis and were seaworthy.
Two examples have been reconstructed using the original material, and are amazing examples of the boat builders' skill.
https://english.ahram.org.eg/News/416631.aspx?fbclid=IwAR3bEkVk9JTb3YpEIE_09_oGq_GYGFpjmZoM-whhOEyou7mMuY9fl8LZEMs
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« Reply #371 on: August 02, 2021, 09:27:01 AM »
      Marvellous find of a well preserved second century BC warship from the incredibly rich underwater archaeology site of Herakleon,which was Egypt's major seaport from around 800 BC until Alexandria reached its' full potential.
Some of the artefacts, statues and sculptures recovered from the mud of the sea bed in recent years are breathtaking in their preserved state.
So far, less than 5% of the site has been surveyed, never mind excavated.
https://maritime-executive.com/article/archaeologists-uncover-rare-fast-galley-from-2nd-century-bce?fbclid=IwAR0OOgOstye9NJis8fAvobX7BGH5P1l3JXEsRlfVBKAFHaj-GzJ7crSQqZk
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Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
« Reply #372 on: August 02, 2021, 05:51:18 PM »
That sounds very interesting.
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Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
« Reply #373 on: August 31, 2021, 08:59:55 PM »
Related amusing animation video..IMO

https://youtu.be/j6PbonHsqW0
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Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
« Reply #374 on: August 31, 2021, 09:22:49 PM »
Related amusing animation video..IMO

https://youtu.be/j6PbonHsqW0
   
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Getting to the guts of the matter.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xx9Yyh8xqg
"for, as long as but a hundred of us remain alive, never will we on any conditions be brought under English rule. It is in truth not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom - for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself."