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Re: Doctors can withdraw baby's life support
« Reply #150 on: July 26, 2017, 01:34:13 PM »
There is another aspect to this which is privacy.

While it might be tempting to think that their own home would provide the best chance for a quiet and private place to say goodbye, I think the huge levels of publicity will make this impossible. Sadly, I have concerns that were they to move the baby to their home the media circus and the hangers on will move too. Perhaps the best place is a hospice selected secretly, so that the press etc don't know where it is.

I agree, they should be able to share the time their boy has left in private.

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« Reply #151 on: July 26, 2017, 01:49:14 PM »
Yes, the press would be all over it.  Imagine also demonstrations outside their house, with hostile slogans about doctors and so on, then a police cordon, etc.   Dignity, what dignity. 
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« Reply #152 on: July 26, 2017, 04:19:06 PM »
A good piece on perspective here.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jul/26/charlie-gard-health-service-nhs-failure#img-1

I'm struck by the suffering in his mother's face. And I'm angry at how this couple and their son have been used.

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Re: Doctors can withdraw baby's life support
« Reply #153 on: July 26, 2017, 04:29:18 PM »
A good piece on perspective here.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jul/26/charlie-gard-health-service-nhs-failure#img-1

I'm struck by the suffering in his mother's face. And I'm angry at how this couple and their son have been used.

That's pretty good. I see the reference to Being Mortal by Atul Gawande which I thought was excellent

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Re: Doctors can withdraw baby's life support
« Reply #154 on: July 26, 2017, 04:43:10 PM »

So it looks like a hospice will be the next stage. Even so it is at the don't of volunteers and a contribution of a ventilating machine.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jul/26/charlie-gard-can-be-cared-for-in-hospice-his-parents-tell-court

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« Reply #155 on: July 26, 2017, 05:11:31 PM »
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-40733491

Apparently there is no agreement at present.

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« Reply #156 on: July 27, 2017, 07:42:51 AM »
So it looks like a hospice will be the next stage. Even so it is at the don't of volunteers and a contribution of a ventilating machine.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jul/26/charlie-gard-can-be-cared-for-in-hospice-his-parents-tell-court

As far as costs are concerned, the parents do have the consequences of their crowd-funding available.

Earlier comments about the press and privacy - I hope that the parents are allowed to grieve in private, but we should not forget that it was they who summoned this particular genie from its bottle.
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Re: Doctors can withdraw baby's life support
« Reply #157 on: July 27, 2017, 09:27:10 AM »
Excellent piece by Melanie Phillips (can't believe I just wrote that)



http://www.melaniephillips.com/cruel-ignorant-campaign/

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Re: Doctors can withdraw baby's life support
« Reply #158 on: July 27, 2017, 09:50:31 AM »
Excellent piece by Melanie Phillips (can't believe I just wrote that)



http://www.melaniephillips.com/cruel-ignorant-campaign/

Stopped clock right twice a day and all that.
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Re: Doctors can withdraw baby's life support
« Reply #159 on: July 27, 2017, 04:35:50 PM »
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-40745988

The judge has ruled that Charlie Gard is to be moved to a hospice and have his life support removed.

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« Reply #160 on: July 27, 2017, 04:53:07 PM »
NS 157

Thank you for that link. I have just listened through.
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« Reply #161 on: July 28, 2017, 06:33:13 PM »

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« Reply #162 on: July 28, 2017, 07:45:22 PM »
To me it would seem fitting that in view of the preceding the whole affair, and this thread included, come to a painful yet inevitable and final conclusion.

I doubt that either will come to pass.
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Doctors can withdraw baby's life support
« Reply #163 on: July 28, 2017, 09:14:20 PM »
Comment by Gregory Daniels.


http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/charlie-gard-hope-hate-article-1.3358078

Edited to remove copied article and put in link
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Re: Doctors can withdraw baby's life support
« Reply #164 on: July 28, 2017, 09:54:55 PM »
It's certainly one of them.
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Re: Doctors can withdraw baby's life support
« Reply #165 on: July 29, 2017, 06:18:46 AM »
What happens to the money now?
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« Reply #166 on: July 29, 2017, 07:46:32 AM »
What happens to the money now?

I think there was talk of a Foundation in Charlie's name.
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« Reply #167 on: July 29, 2017, 09:05:45 AM »
I think there was talk of a Foundation in Charlie's name.

I heard that too.
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Re: Doctors can withdraw baby's life support
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Re: Doctors can withdraw baby's life support
« Reply #169 on: July 30, 2017, 09:41:33 AM »
Excellent piece
https://reaction.life/charlie-gard-facts/
You're not wrong - that's one of the best (because clearest) commentaries I've seen.
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Re: Doctors can withdraw baby's life support
« Reply #171 on: July 30, 2017, 10:47:06 AM »
Thank you, NS. Another very clear article.
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Re: Doctors can withdraw baby's life support
« Reply #172 on: July 30, 2017, 01:59:58 PM »

Excellent piece

https://reaction.life/charlie-gard-facts/



Beyond excellent - even a proven ignoramus like me can understand exactly what is being said!
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Re: Doctors can withdraw baby's life support
« Reply #173 on: July 30, 2017, 02:58:44 PM »
Agreed, it's very good indeed.
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Re: Doctors can withdraw baby's life support
« Reply #174 on: July 30, 2017, 03:02:08 PM »
To me it would seem fitting that in view of the preceding the whole affair, and this thread included, come to a painful yet inevitable and final conclusion.

I doubt that either will come to pass.

Charlie Gard won't be forgotten but I agree with what you say.

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