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Re: Be a vegetarian this Easter!
« Reply #100 on: April 19, 2017, 03:59:28 PM »
Sririam out of interest, do you wear or use leather goods?
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Re: Be a vegetarian this Easter!
« Reply #101 on: April 19, 2017, 04:04:01 PM »
And me. Never seen a complete episode. Seen 10 minutes here and there over the last however many years.

Ooh, I'm in good company then.  :)

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Re: Be a vegetarian this Easter!
« Reply #102 on: April 20, 2017, 06:57:35 AM »
Sririam out of interest, do you wear or use leather goods?


Yes...I do have a couple of leather shoes. I thought they used the leather after the cows died naturally.  :-[

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Re: Be a vegetarian this Easter!
« Reply #103 on: April 20, 2017, 08:32:39 AM »
Most leather isn't even a meat by product, it is made from animals slaughtered in deregulated conditions that are truly appalling and just for their skin  - far worse than those where the animal is killed for food. The chemicals used are incredibly polluting too. I buy second hand and vintage bags (not that I have many) and my biker jacket is fake but shoes are s problem - easier in the summer when fabric shoes are an option.

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Re: Be a vegetarian this Easter!
« Reply #104 on: April 20, 2017, 11:35:38 AM »

Yes...I do have a couple of leather shoes. I thought they used the leather after the cows died naturally.  :-[

That's true for a lot of them. Then I read what Rhiannon said, I didn't know about all that.
This forum is truly an education for me! I have loads of bags and leather shoes & boots, really like them. Agree abou using the fabric ones in summer, they are nice if they're good quality.
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Re: Be a vegetarian this Easter!
« Reply #105 on: April 20, 2017, 06:00:29 PM »
In principle there should be nothing wrong with using leather and so on, after all they are just "leftovers" and need not involve cruelty to or slaughter of animals. However in practice that is not so, as nearly all animal products do subsidise and support the meat industry.

And.. that's only the tip of the issue. India, where the cow is sacred and half the population is vegetarian, is also the world's largest exporter of beef.   Everything comes down to economics. I don't eat meat but my economic activity supports any number of people who do.

The planet itself recycles animals and plant bodies endlessly.

It's not an argument for any individual to be or not be vegetarian - that is about personal empathy and compassion.
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« Reply #106 on: April 20, 2017, 07:03:30 PM »
Yes. Years ago I felt I made a difference. Now I don't but I act in line with what I can manage as an individual.

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« Reply #107 on: April 21, 2017, 01:28:56 PM »
Most leather isn't even a meat by product, it is made from animals slaughtered in deregulated conditions that are truly appalling and just for their skin  - far worse than those where the animal is killed for food. The chemicals used are incredibly polluting too. I buy second hand and vintage bags (not that I have many) and my biker jacket is fake but shoes are s problem - easier in the summer when fabric shoes are an option.

Biker jacket?  :o

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« Reply #108 on: April 21, 2017, 03:22:39 PM »
Biker jacket?  :o

Yes. What bit of that can I help you with as it seems to be causing some confusion?

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Re: Be a vegetarian this Easter!
« Reply #109 on: April 21, 2017, 03:34:46 PM »
Here's quite a nice non-leather one -
http://www.topshop.com/en/tsuk/product/quilted-faux-leather-biker-5840660?geoip=noredirect&cmpid=ppc_pla_UK_ip&utm_medium=cpc&tsrc=vdna&istCompanyId=38aa0d7f-6514-4cb3-bbdc-df0d32d48b7f&istItemId=xxiapllppr&istBid=tztx&gclid=CNSUtvvgtdMCFe4Q0wodJ08HJw&gclsrc=aw.ds

I had one but grew - would like to say "I outgrew it" but what happened is I became too big for it, or it became too tight for me. Mine was leather. The above one looks quite good.
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« Reply #110 on: April 21, 2017, 03:58:47 PM »
I love mine. It's got a waterfall collar so I don't look like I'm hopefully wearing my daughter's New Look one, which is also non leather and looks like it cost three times what I paid for it.

I like customised denim bikers too.

Getting too big for things is a sign of fine living and is to be commended.
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Re: Be a vegetarian this Easter!
« Reply #111 on: April 21, 2017, 05:12:06 PM »
Not for me it isn't! It's a sign of letting things slide.

(I've been veggie all week and will continue over weekend.)
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« Reply #112 on: April 21, 2017, 06:05:40 PM »
Yes. What bit of that can I help you with as it seems to be causing some confusion?

I can cope ;)

Didnt have you down as a biker type.
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Re: Be a vegetarian this Easter!
« Reply #114 on: April 21, 2017, 06:44:26 PM »
I can cope ;)

Didnt have you down as a biker type.

I don't have a beard.

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Re: Be a vegetarian this Easter!
« Reply #115 on: April 21, 2017, 06:55:39 PM »
I don't have a beard.

Or a bald head, hopefully 😉 ( either that or they seem to often have very long hair)

All you need to be a biker is a bike, and a liking for a certain type of rock, AC/DC, type stuff.

It's got its own culture, sort of.

Rally's, dress code, ......
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Re: Be a vegetarian this Easter!
« Reply #117 on: April 22, 2017, 09:18:09 PM »
Old fashioned mac n cheese and peas for us. Comfort food for a Saturday night.  :)

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Re: Be a vegetarian this Easter!
« Reply #118 on: April 22, 2017, 11:11:24 PM »
Sounds delicious. I had mac & cheese during the week Thrusday I think. Love it.
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Re: Be a vegetarian this Easter!
« Reply #119 on: April 23, 2017, 08:33:45 AM »
Animals we use for food and clothing should be killed as swiftly as possible to prevent too much pain. I have no problem with eating and wearing animal products.

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Re: Be a vegetarian this Easter!
« Reply #120 on: April 23, 2017, 02:21:50 PM »
Not for me it isn't! It's a sign of letting things slide.

(I've been veggie all week and will continue over weekend.)


Its nice to know that you have been veggie all week. Great!   

Being veggie is also good for health and is said to have less risk of many health problems.  It is also good from a spiritual angle because it means you are willing to sacrifice your desires for the benefit of some other being.

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« Reply #121 on: April 23, 2017, 02:51:02 PM »
Quite honestly I am not finding it difficult Sririam so it's no sacrifice. I'm enjoying what I eat and don't miss meat at all so far.  Planning  meals is fun too but I will have to work on variety.  Vegeterianism being a healthy diet is the icing on the cake! I suppose it will all work out cheaper in the end which will be a bonus.
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Re: Be a vegetarian this Easter!
« Reply #122 on: May 06, 2017, 01:32:51 PM »


Something relevant to this...in today's CNN news.

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/05/03/health/germany-vegan-vegetarian-diets/index.html

This is about vegan substitutes for familiar meat food products.

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When thinking of a typically German meal, two particular items probably spring to mind: bratwurst sausage and a tender schnitzel.

Both are traditional, and both are made of veal, beef or pork, occasionally chicken.

But today, these classics have been transformed, going meat-free to embrace the growing number of vegetarians and vegans across Germany and to fuel the vegan movement itself.

"These new food products are quite tasty," said Stefan Lorkowski, vice president of the German Nutrition Society. "It's tremendous what food technologists can do."

Europe's first vegan supermarket chain, Veganz, began in the German capital, Berlin, in 2011. There are 10 stores across the country today and more across the continent, offering more than 4,500 products. More restaurants are also offering vegetarian and vegan options, as well as special food aisles at most major supermarkets, Lorkowski said.

....using survey data from 2008 and 2011 estimated 4.3% of Germans between 18 and 79 years old to be vegetarian, with the greatest number between the ages of 18 and 29. About 2% of the UK population is estimated to be vegetarian and 3.3% in the US. In most settings, numbers are greater among higher-income populations and city-dwellers, say experts, as well as among women.

Recent guidance from the United Nations has highlighted the environmental benefits of reduced meat consumption. For example, livestock are estimated to be responsible for 20% of global greenhouse gas emissions, according to the UN's Food and Agriculture Organization.

"The UK is a world leader" in veganism, Peggs said, adding that it was the first country to have a Vegan Society. That ideology arose from concerns over animal welfare, followed by the environment, meaning people did not necessarily seek meat-like replacements.

Sanders also believes that greater ethnic diversity in countries such as the UK, with the resulting wider range of foods, further affects the type of vegan and vegetarian diets people want. UK residents are commonly exposed to Greek, Indian and Cypriot diets that have many vegetarian options. "Most vegans do not think of meat as food ... (so) they don't want things resembling meat," he said.

Most experts believe the trend has not yet peaked, though they say it is unlikely to become the norm.

"There is a lot of concern around health," Peggs said. "So it will keep rising."

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Re: Be a vegetarian this Easter!
« Reply #123 on: May 06, 2017, 01:52:05 PM »
I had a nice bacon sarnie for breakfast.

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Re: Be a vegetarian this Easter!
« Reply #124 on: May 06, 2017, 02:50:11 PM »
 ;D

I've always liked bacon but have been OK without any since starting the veggie diet, put what I had in the fridge into the freezer, told family where to find it if they want any (and lamb chops, chicken portions, minced beef). So far no takers!

I was reading about things you can do which add a bacony flavour to meals. One was shiitake mushrooms with soy sauce. I cannot begin to  imagine it but might try just to see. Still I'm managing alright without, husband too tho' I told him not to feel obliged to be vegetarian because of me & if he fancies a ham roll at work it's up to him.
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