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Nearly Sane

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North Korea
« on: April 15, 2017, 09:19:31 AM »

This is the bit where we all hide under desks and makeshift shelters made out of doors, isn't it?


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-39604361
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Re: North Korea
« Reply #1 on: April 15, 2017, 09:24:30 AM »
Why oh why does this little tweet from Stephen King last year keep popping into my head:


Say, here's an idea! Let's turn America's nukes over to a bad-tempered asshole with no knowledge of foreign policy. What could go wrong?
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Re: North Korea
« Reply #2 on: April 15, 2017, 09:37:26 AM »
May be it will work, may be what seems to be an even handed warning from China might work. And I think we have to be careful here on the Blane being Trump and America. The inability to do anything to make Nth Korea move from a path of lunatic pariahhood is central here.
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« Reply #3 on: April 15, 2017, 02:19:08 PM »
I hope Trump doesn't do anything stupid, and China reins in N. Korea.
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Re: North Korea
« Reply #4 on: April 15, 2017, 07:00:25 PM »
I think the real issue here is who allowed N. Korea to develop nukes and why hasn't it been dealt with earlier. It is only now that people are thinking this may be a problem, now that it is pretty much too late.
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Re: North Korea
« Reply #5 on: April 15, 2017, 07:44:03 PM »
Totally agree that this should have been dealt with before. But in the here and now we have a president who can't keep his hands to himself and on current evidence can't keep his bombs to himself either. That is a real danger imo.
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Re: North Korea
« Reply #6 on: April 15, 2017, 09:32:42 PM »
Quote from: Trentvoyager on April 15, 2017, 07:44:03 PM
Totally agree that this should have been dealt with before. But in the here and now we have a president who can't keep his hands to himself and on current evidence can't keep his bombs to himself either. That is a real danger imo.

If it is possible  then I think all the missile sites in North Korea should be hit before they can react.
That way they cannot launch a nuclear missile.
Then the whole of their air force should also be destroyed.
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Re: North Korea
« Reply #7 on: April 15, 2017, 11:11:09 PM »
Perhaps Donald Trump could challenge Kim Jong-un to a beauty contest ...

... I'll get my coat.
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« Reply #8 on: April 15, 2017, 11:34:11 PM »
Perhaps someone will grease the royal stairs in Kim Jong-un's home.
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« Reply #9 on: April 16, 2017, 08:37:45 AM »
Quote from: Harrowby Hall on April 15, 2017, 11:11:09 PM
Perhaps Donald Trump could challenge Kim Jong-un to a beauty contest ...

... I'll get my coat.

Better still, pistols at dawn! ;D
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Re: North Korea
« Reply #10 on: April 16, 2017, 08:43:53 PM »
Nah ... a beauty contest between ...

Orange Hair ... the masturbatory fantasy of a deranged tyrannosaurus rex   
     and
Black hair    ... the masturbatory fantasy of a self-absorbed wart hog.
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Re: North Korea
« Reply #11 on: April 17, 2017, 08:12:56 AM »
It seems that in order for the rest of the world to take action against North Korea,  that country would first have to attack another country or do something that resulted in people being killed; unfortunately that is the only way military action is justifiable. N. Korea doesn't appear to want to use its weapons except in defence, so I can't see anything significant being done.
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Re: North Korea
« Reply #12 on: April 17, 2017, 08:37:29 AM »
Quote from: Spud on April 17, 2017, 08:12:56 AM
N. Korea doesn't appear to want to use its weapons except in defence, ...

How is demonstrating that Japan is within range of supposedly nuclear-armed ballistic missiles defensive?
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Re: North Korea
« Reply #13 on: April 17, 2017, 11:52:12 AM »
Quote from: Harrowby Hall on April 17, 2017, 08:37:29 AM
How is demonstrating that Japan is within range of supposedly nuclear-armed ballistic missiles defensive?
Ok it's provocative, but is it aggressive?
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« Reply #14 on: April 17, 2017, 05:20:03 PM »
Japan, for (what I would have thought are) obvious reasons maintains a Self Defence Force that is only one fifth the size of North Korea's army. Japan has no long range bombers or attack-based aircraft carriers. Japan's constitution renounces the right to initiate attack in international confrontation.

Under these circumstances North Korea's behaviour can only be considered aggressive.
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« Reply #15 on: July 30, 2017, 02:35:37 PM »
North Korea seems determined to provoke a major confrontation with the US, are they crazy or what?
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« Reply #16 on: July 30, 2017, 02:41:48 PM »
You could argue that it's fairly rational.   The US keeps threatening them, and they know that other countries have a nuclear deterrence.   In other words, if you bomb  us, we will retaliate.   Of course, it could all go wrong, esp. in relation to S. Korea. 
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« Reply #17 on: August 06, 2017, 11:27:20 AM »
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-40842068

Hopefully N Korea will take note as both China and Russia have voted for sanctions against that country.
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« Reply #18 on: September 04, 2017, 02:55:49 PM »
It could go two ways: firstly, if North Korea behaves like Isis when they got hold of the Iraqui military's weaponry and started killing people, then Russia and China would get involved as well as the USA and eventually defeat N. Korea (can't see the US doing it without other countries helping).
Or, North Korea holds off and agrees to disarm. Let's hope it's the latter.
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« Reply #19 on: September 04, 2017, 03:13:10 PM »
Quote from: Spud on September 04, 2017, 02:55:49 PM
It could go two ways: firstly, if North Korea behaves like Isis when they got hold of the Iraqui military's weaponry and started killing people, then Russia and China would get involved as well as the USA and eventually defeat N. Korea (can't see the US doing it without other countries helping).
Or, North Korea holds off and agrees to disarm. Let's hope it's the latter.

China needs to take drastic action over NK and draw a line in the sand, before Trump does something really crazy!
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« Reply #20 on: September 04, 2017, 03:19:06 PM »
I don't think there are only two options.  Another one is that N. K. keeps testing bombs, and nobody does anything, well, barring sanctions.   Everybody is worried about the retaliation, not against the US, but S. Korea, as no doubt N.K. has a ton of weaponry aimed across the border.   The first bomb to fall on N.K. may provoke this, all along the border and aimed at Seoul also.   

This has unforeseen consequences - another Korean war, China intervening, because they don't want US bases against their frontier, millions  of refugees, and so on.   It's true that Trump is crazy, but his generals will be warning him. 
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« Reply #21 on: September 04, 2017, 04:30:56 PM »
All it takes is another one of those 'tests' to go haywire, and a missile - even with a dummy warhead - to land on Japanese territory.
And apparently NK are planning a few more launches in the next few days....
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Re: North Korea
« Reply #22 on: September 04, 2017, 05:01:02 PM »
Quote from: Anchorman on September 04, 2017, 04:30:56 PM
All it takes is another one of those 'tests' to go haywire, and a missile - even with a dummy warhead - to land on Japanese territory.
And apparently NK are planning a few more launches in the next few days....

Yes, there could be a war by accident.  But apart from that, I think the stand-off will continue.  Nobody dares to risk attacking first, as the consequences could be so awful, e.g. another Korean war, with millions of refugees.   NK actually doesn't need a nuclear deterrent,  as it already has a conventional one.   I guess winding up Trump is fun.
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« Reply #23 on: September 04, 2017, 05:04:25 PM »
 Let's hope the US military strategists have studied Sun Tzu's 'The Art of War'.
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Re: North Korea
« Reply #24 on: September 04, 2017, 05:13:41 PM »
Quote from: ekim on September 04, 2017, 05:04:25 PM
Let's hope the US military strategists have studied Sun Tzu's 'The Art of War'.

Let's hope they haven't read Trump's 'The Art of the Deal'.
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