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Prince Harry Podcast
« on: April 17, 2017, 02:48:54 PM »
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/16/prince-harry-sought-counselling-death-mother-led-two-years-total/

Good podcast with Bryony Gordon. Think there is some valuable stuff in there.

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« Reply #1 on: April 17, 2017, 03:05:54 PM »
That is really good Rhiannon, I feel strongly we do need to hear more about how it is not wrong 'feeling weird' etc!
I'd read before about Prince Harry's problems, he's been remarkably open bless his heart, his brother too. It helps to hear stories from high profile people.
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« Reply #2 on: April 17, 2017, 03:18:46 PM »
Yes, it's so refreshing and touching to hear him opening up. I know Rio Ferdinand has been involved in the Heads Together project, and his recent programme about bereavement was intensely moving. It definitely helps that high profile people are talking about their stuff now, and not just women, but men too. It does make me hopeful that my kids' generation won't have to deal with the fear and stigma that ours have.

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« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2017, 03:40:58 PM »
Agreed. Also found Rio Ferdinand's programme moving.
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« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2017, 03:43:37 PM »
The situation probably arose because of the typical Windsor survial srategy. They seem to exhibit a remarkable ability to attempt to dehumanise threir offspring, with disasterous results. If this young man ends up with a ruined life, then the fault can be laid squarely at 'the firm'.
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« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2017, 04:12:32 PM »
The situation probably arose because of the typical Windsor survial srategy. They seem to exhibit a remarkable ability to attempt to dehumanise threir offspring, with disasterous results. If this young man ends up with a ruined life, then the fault can be laid squarely at 'the firm'.

No I don't think that is fair. It's true that his family were very ill equipped to deal with the grief of Harry and William following Diana's death, but equally I think the media must take some blame, not least in baying for the public grieving on the part of the Royal Family that I think led to the ill-judged decision to allow those two boys to walk behind their mother's coffin, and the subsequent hounding of him throughout his life as a young man and adult. But as Rio Ferdinand's programme shows, being a working class bloke doesn't suddenly make someone emotionally literate and able to share.

Dehumanising and abusing offspring doesn't begin and end with royalty and if Harry speaking out now makes it easier for others who have had upsetting, difficult and abusive childhoods then I fail to see what the problem is. Don't let your prejudice against who he is get in the way of the value of his message.

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« Reply #6 on: April 17, 2017, 04:13:15 PM »

Just seen Rhiannon's excellent post & agree. Been trying to a reply to Anchorman but got some forbidden error message. No need now anyway.

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« Reply #7 on: April 17, 2017, 06:39:42 PM »
With all the conspiracy theories flying around I'm not surprised he suppressed it all, to protect himself probably,  initially.

It would be traumatic for any child to hear stories about his father and grandfather having his mother killed and about her affairs.

It was all so public and some of it tactless.

He's a human being, one that gets his family publically dissected, in a way that was likely to disturb a child, and children react differently to bereavement.

Also people who don't like the royalty and have an agenda, don't cut them any slack.

He was a child, subjected to the sort of abuse on the death of his mother, most of us would be horrified at, had he been anyone else.

The abuse came from a lot of the tactless coverage bounded about, not from his family. It doesn't surprise me he suppressed his feelings and that had a bad effect on him later.

How must it have looked to a little boy who's mother was pursued by the press to her death, and who then was the focal point of conspiracy theories by the media?  What could a little boy do with those feelings of anger when he heard all that stuff? About his family, about his dad and grandad.

He's was still just a kid.

Of course it caused him a problem.

It doesn't matter if he is royalty, he's a human being and was at the time a little boy who loved his mum.






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« Reply #8 on: April 17, 2017, 06:44:48 PM »
Seemed enormously honest, while I have no belief in the monarchy, the people themselves are therefore no different, no better, no worse than the any of us. He has my sympathy and respect for this.

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« Reply #9 on: April 17, 2017, 06:54:47 PM »
The situation probably arose because of the typical Windsor survial srategy. They seem to exhibit a remarkable ability to attempt to dehumanise threir offspring, with disasterous results. If this young man ends up with a ruined life, then the fault can be laid squarely at 'the firm'.

Not at all.

Much can be laid at the feet of the media and the gossip.

He must have heard it, the things said against his family.

No other child would have been expected to cope.

In schools counselling is often arranged for traumatic events.

He was a child like any other child.
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« Reply #10 on: April 17, 2017, 07:00:35 PM »
Seemed enormously honest, while I have no belief in the monarchy, the people themselves are therefore no different, no better, no worse than the any of us. He has my sympathy and respect for this.

Yes, I have no strong feelings for the monarchy either way but I think he did well.

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« Reply #11 on: April 17, 2017, 07:20:39 PM »
He has done well & is shaping up fine.

I'm glad he is sharing now and his brother has shared too, it helps others.

Many people sprang from a stiff upper lip background &whilst it doesn't do to 'let it all hang out' at all times, things do need to be talked about.
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« Reply #12 on: April 17, 2017, 09:55:55 PM »
While Iadmire Harry Windsor's candour, I maintain that the circumstances which caused it were initiated by the claustrophobic ingrained ethos of the Windsor survival mode. Diana was the brood mare for the continuation of the bloodstock, pure and simple. Yes, she was flawed - so was her husband, when it comes to that. As long as two children existed, the situation was stable - that one of those children might have been suffering, sensitive and failing to deal with the horrors of bereavement should have been picked up by 'the firm'. Instead, like his dad, he was sent to various schools to be educated. Like his dad, he had little choice in the matter. At least, unlike his dad, he enjoyed his careeer in the forces.
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« Reply #13 on: April 17, 2017, 10:30:10 PM »
Harry went to Eton, like his brother, which was what his mother wanted as it's just outside London. Both boys could go home either to London or down to Highgrove easily at weekends and see other family and friends. They lost their mother tragically but were much loved.

To be bereaved by a parent dying when you're not quite 13 would be hard for anyone. Families generally aren't the best at helping though they tried. Thank goodness the two brothers had eachother for support. They're grown up now and doing well, able to help others who've suffered bereavements.
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« Reply #14 on: April 17, 2017, 10:33:52 PM »
Yes, all in all they seem to be doing ok given both what they have gone through and the insane pressure that comes with being who they are. Many people are ill equipped to deal with the grief of others, especially children.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39622611

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« Reply #15 on: April 18, 2017, 09:20:32 AM »
Harry went to Eton, like his brother, which was what his mother wanted as it's just outside London. Both boys could go home either to London or down to Highgrove easily at weekends and see other family and friends. They lost their mother tragically but were much loved.

To be bereaved by a parent dying when you're not quite 13 would be hard for anyone. Families generally aren't the best at helping though they tried. Thank goodness the two brothers had eachother for support. They're grown up now and doing well, able to help others who've suffered bereavements.

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I know what it's like to lose a parent as a child, since my dad died when I was four.
At least I did not have to live in the situation in which Harry Windsor found himself: raised by a parent who himself was mentally damaged by his own very peculiar upbringing, and in the knowledge of both his mother and father's extra-marital affairs.
If he were cushioned from the latter as a child, growing up in the upper class ghetto of Eton would have opened his eyes.
His mental torture was largely the fault of the vwery unique circumstances of the burden of his granny's role - another reason for ditching this ghastly system that continually damages the lives it produces.
"for, as long as but a hundred of us remain alive, never will we on any conditions be brought under English rule. It is in truth not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom - for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself."

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« Reply #16 on: April 18, 2017, 09:25:18 AM »
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I know what it's like to lose a parent as a child, since my dad died when I was four.
At least I did not have to live in the situation in which Harry Windsor found himself: raised by a parent who himself was mentally damaged by his own very peculiar upbringing, and in the knowledge of both his mother and father's extra-marital affairs.
If he were cushioned from the latter as a child, growing up in the upper class ghetto of Eton would have opened his eyes.
His mental torture was largely the fault of the vwery unique circumstances of the burden of his granny's role - another reason for ditching this ghastly system that continually damages the lives it produces.

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« Reply #17 on: April 18, 2017, 09:42:22 AM »
So you want to perpetuate a system which continually produces damaged, unhappy lives?
"for, as long as but a hundred of us remain alive, never will we on any conditions be brought under English rule. It is in truth not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom - for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself."

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« Reply #18 on: April 18, 2017, 10:37:53 AM »
So you want to perpetuate a system which continually produces damaged, unhappy lives?

That is so untrue.

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« Reply #19 on: April 18, 2017, 10:42:34 AM »
Princes William and Henry, just two people as an example out of a huge family, are not permanently damaged! They are fine young men and many of us feel quite proud of them. The monarchy has learned by past mistakes and changed enormously even in my lifetime. The Queen never puts a foot wrong, has always put duty and country first and is a devoted grandmother. Her own parents set an excellent example to everyone.

For goodness sakes Anchorman, your prejudice is really showing! Prejudice is a form of fear - and hatred. Very unChristian. You don't have to like or approve of the monarchy,lots don't, but stop showing such horrible hatred. It's unbecoming of you.
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« Reply #20 on: April 18, 2017, 10:45:28 AM »
Maybe Anchorman would prefer us to have a President like Trump! :o

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« Reply #21 on: April 18, 2017, 11:15:41 AM »
So you want to perpetuate a system which continually produces damaged, unhappy lives?

It's a comparatively small number. How about ending the school factory system, that damages lives? Divorce, ending that? Marriage itself, that can be damaging. Where do you draw the line? Should everyone have compulsory counselling?

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« Reply #22 on: April 18, 2017, 12:25:52 PM »
Maybe Anchorman would prefer us to have a President like Trump! :o

We have a president like Trump. It is called May and it's just thrown its teddy out of the pram.
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« Reply #23 on: April 18, 2017, 01:31:29 PM »
We have a president like Trump. It is called May and it's just thrown its teddy out of the pram.

She isn't anything like Trump.

Trump is crass, Theresa May is more ' straight laced.'

Trump makes wild statements about ' dealing with people/ countries.

Trump is worse, far worse!


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« Reply #24 on: April 18, 2017, 01:43:02 PM »
We have a president like Trump. It is called May and it's just thrown its teddy out of the pram.

Oh for heaven's sake, there is a world of difference between that idiot Trump and May, she is sane, he is a lunatic!