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Re: UK General Election 2017
« Reply #200 on: April 22, 2017, 01:57:02 PM »
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39670703

Well overseas aid is to remain but it may be paid for by increasing your income tax, the Tories increasing income tax, a brave new world, or just more smoke and mirrors.

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Re: UK General Election 2017
« Reply #201 on: April 22, 2017, 02:55:05 PM »
Theresa really the good guy coming good in the final reel? Is that credible?
That's not what I said. I think she wants a softer Brexit, but the political reality is that it is going to happen as things stand. The only way I could see it not happening is if the Lib Dems win on a no Brexit platform.
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Re: UK General Election 2017
« Reply #202 on: April 22, 2017, 02:55:47 PM »
When you say soft Brexit what do you mean? Staying in single market or free trade deal, there are degrees of soft.
Staying in the single market of EFTA.
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Re: UK General Election 2017
« Reply #203 on: April 22, 2017, 03:06:55 PM »
If you don’t think Jeremy Corbyn can win this election then you’re a Tory.
That's not really a very helpful sentiment. It's blatantly not true for a start.
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Re: UK General Election 2017
« Reply #204 on: April 22, 2017, 03:16:57 PM »
And yet you yourself is full of assertions. That makes you duplicitous.

That is in the past tense. The USSR grew in its early years but was built on utopian madness and so died, and the EU is the same.
The EU is not the same as the USSR.

The USSR was much more tightly integrated than the EU, was communist and most of the countries in it were not there by choice.
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Re: UK General Election 2017
« Reply #205 on: April 22, 2017, 05:30:43 PM »
The EU is not the same as the USSR.

The USSR was much more tightly integrated than the EU, was communist and most of the countries in it were not there by choice.
The ever closer union of the EU is.

Whether by choice or not is besides the point as people are often lied to. Do you think Greece chose to be where they are now. No. They voted to stop the bailouts and austerity but were then let down by that Tsipras git.

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Re: UK General Election 2017
« Reply #206 on: April 22, 2017, 06:06:47 PM »
That's not what I said. I think she wants a softer Brexit, but the political reality is that it is going to happen as things stand. The only way I could see it not happening is if the Lib Dems win on a no Brexit platform.

So a soft Brexit is effectively no Brexit, as you defined it as staying in single market.

What is softer Brexit?

As I've said before I think May is aiming for free trade \ freedom of movement of labour type deal.
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Re: UK General Election 2017
« Reply #207 on: April 22, 2017, 07:19:53 PM »
Think Michelle Thomson has been a little unlucky in this but points to the SNP for taking the action. I presume the Tories will do the sane with anyone under investigation for election expenses fraud.



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Re: UK General Election 2017
« Reply #208 on: April 23, 2017, 10:59:11 AM »
And Lib Dems rule out coalition with either Tory or Labour, while using a bit of poetic licence as regards Labour.



http://www.libdems.org.uk/coalition

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Re: UK General Election 2017
« Reply #209 on: April 23, 2017, 11:03:57 AM »
And one of those blue moon times when I agree with Peter Hitchens. This is not about a mandate for Brexit but about avoiding losing the majority and possibly a vote of no confidence.



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Re: UK General Election 2017
« Reply #210 on: April 23, 2017, 06:07:27 PM »
The ever closer union of the EU is.
No, it isn't.

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Whether by choice or not is besides the point as people are often lied to.
Who has been lied to about the EU?

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Do you think Greece chose to be where they are now.
Greeks were lied to by their own government as was the Eurozone. Greece would not have been in the Eurozone if they had been honest about their own economy.

Note that Greece's problems stem from its membership of the Eurozone , not its membership of the EU. You have been told this repeatedly and yet you continue to lie about it. Everybody knows you are lying, so your continued repetition of the lie just makes you like like a prejudiced nut job. You really do not do yourself any favours.
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« Reply #211 on: April 23, 2017, 11:25:27 PM »
Here's another list of Atrocities, sorry, "achievements":

"Theresa May has asked you to judge the Conservatives on their record, so we happily compiled a list of Tory "achievements" for your ease of reading:
http://dailyspectacle.co.uk/2017/04/theresa-may-the-tories-judged-on-their-record/

Including.
  • Foodbank Usage.
  • Increased National Debt.
  • NHS in Crisis/NHS Trust deficits.
  • Children living in poverty.
  • Zero Hours Contracts.
  • Public Service Cuts.
  • Social Care Crisis.
  • Housing Crisis.
  • Education Cuts.
  • Targeting the vulnerable and Disabled.
  • Homelessness Crisis

So where's all the money from the austerity programme going?

And finally...

  • UK wages have dropped 10% since 2007.
  • GDP per capita is lower than it was before 2008.
  • Hate crimes rise by up to 100 percent across England and Wales.
  • Nearly 90 people a month are dying after being declared fit for work.
  • Applications for nursing degrees are down 23% after bursaries were scrapped.
  • Almost a third of teachers quit state sector within five years of qualifying.
  • More than half of primary school teachers surveyed said pupils showed signs of hunger in the classroom.

Not an easy record to defend is it."

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Re: UK General Election 2017
« Reply #212 on: April 24, 2017, 12:55:15 AM »
Ohhhhhhhhhhhh.....

And don't get me started on Tory Blair and his fucking Blue Labour acolytes aka Blairites. Can you believe the once leader of the Labour party is once again advocating that his followers should vote Tory in order to keep the Labour Party from winning the election?

He is a warmongering Cockwomble who should be in a high-security prison, not spouting his nobber views to the general populace.

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With fear running high in establishment circles that Jeremy Corbyn might soon be running the country, Labour’s reactionary-in-chief Tony Blair was trotted out this afternoon to spew yet more unwanted advice.

Speaking in an interview on the BBC’s World This Weekend, Blair mounted yet another attack on Corbyn’s electability by claiming that Tory government would “steam roller” into power on June 9. Apparently, the polls have told him so.

Such comments are hardly helpful to Labour’s election campaign.

Adopting this utterly defeatist position, Blair argued that the public must vote solely on the basis of Brexit – even if this means voting for the Tories!


http://evolvepolitics.com/tony-blair-literally-just-told-people-vote-tory/

Labour’s rules on this are very clear: Anyone calling for voters to support another party – for any reason at all – is in breach of their membership conditions.

Tory Blair, as a high-profile Labour member, is deliberately trying to harm his own party’s electoral prospects.

Corbyn’s response is too lenient.

It’s an open-and-shut case;

That cunt Blair should be expelled at once.

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Re: UK General Election 2017
« Reply #213 on: April 24, 2017, 01:46:58 AM »


That cunt Blair should be expelled at once.

Yeah, do you know what? If you are trying to persuade non Labour voters to vote Labour you are going exactly the wrong way about it. Don't abuse people who disagree with your opinions, they are as likely to stick the metaphorical two fingers up at you by voting for somebody else as they are to come round to your point of view.
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« Reply #214 on: April 24, 2017, 07:58:56 AM »
That cunt Blair should be expelled at once.
What just like Blair expelled Corbyn when he serially voted against Labour as an MP.

Oh wait, that's wrong. Blair never expelled Corbyn.

It really shows the depth Labour has dunk to when people are calling for the only Labour leader for 40 years to win an election (3 actually) to be expelled.

Here is a tip - if you want to make a difference you have to win elections.

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« Reply #215 on: April 24, 2017, 01:42:19 PM »
Blair is breaking Labour Party rules, by advocating voting for other parties.   However, it may not be politic to expel him.   Grin and bear it, I suppose.
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« Reply #216 on: April 24, 2017, 02:13:25 PM »
Blair is breaking Labour Party rules, by advocating voting for other parties.   However, it may not be politic to expel him.   Grin and bear it, I suppose.
How is this any different to the 'tactical voting' approaches espoused by many parties, including Labour, over the past couple of decades.

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Re: UK General Election 2017
« Reply #217 on: April 24, 2017, 02:15:55 PM »

It really shows the depth Labour has dunk to ...


Yep, this really takes the biscuit!

Seriously, though, are not both major parties becoming less tolerant of non-compliance views?
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« Reply #218 on: April 24, 2017, 04:05:20 PM »
Blair is breaking Labour Party rules, by advocating voting for other parties.   However, it may not be politic to expel him.   Grin and bear it, I suppose.

Takes a lot to get expelled from Labour these days, ask comrade Ken.
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Re: UK General Election 2017
« Reply #219 on: April 25, 2017, 09:10:12 AM »
Dear Ricky, Hoi Ricky,

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That cunt Blair should be expelled at once.

And that is going straight into the forum best bits, why? who needs a why, call it poetic licence ;)

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« Reply #220 on: April 25, 2017, 02:32:30 PM »
Blair is breaking Labour Party rules, by advocating voting for other parties.   However, it may not be politic to expel him.   Grin and bear it, I suppose.
Corbyn is breaking the Labour Party by being a useless twat.

Given Blair's popularity, him advocating voting for other parties should be good for Labour. The only reason why this is exercising anybody is because Labour is in dire straits already.
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« Reply #221 on: April 25, 2017, 07:30:18 PM »
And Lib Dems rule out coalition with either Tory or Labour, while using a bit of poetic licence as regards Labour.



http://www.libdems.org.uk/coalition
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Re: UK General Election 2017
« Reply #222 on: April 25, 2017, 07:32:56 PM »
No, it isn't.
Who has been lied to about the EU?
Greeks were lied to by their own government as was the Eurozone. Greece would not have been in the Eurozone if they had been honest about their own economy.

Note that Greece's problems stem from its membership of the Eurozone , not its membership of the EU. You have been told this repeatedly and yet you continue to lie about it. Everybody knows you are lying, so your continued repetition of the lie just makes you like like a prejudiced nut job. You really do not do yourself any favours.
The Euro is a fundamental part of the EU political project. They go hand in hand. If the Euro crashes so does the EU project.

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Re: UK General Election 2017
« Reply #223 on: April 25, 2017, 07:43:25 PM »
Corbyn is breaking the Labour Party by being a useless twat.

Given Blair's popularity, him advocating voting for other parties should be good for Labour. The only reason why this is exercising anybody is because Labour is in dire straits already.

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Re: UK General Election 2017
« Reply #224 on: April 27, 2017, 01:01:20 PM »
There has been polling every couple of weeks (at least) by yougov asking:

'In hindsight, do you think Britain was right or wrong to vote to leave the EU?'

The proportions opting for 'right' and 'wrong' have barely moved since June and have remained pretty well identical to the actual result.

So for example just a couple of weeks (excluding don't knows) 50.6% said 'right', 49.4% said 'wrong'

We remain completely split - there is no evidence that remainers are coming around to thinking that brexit is a good idea - or indeed significant 'buyers regret' from brexiteers.
We have cross-over.

Over the past few weeks there has been a consistent reduction in those saying 'right' and increase in those saying 'wrong' to the question:

'In hindsight, do you think Britain was right or wrong to vote to leave the EU?'

For the first time since this question was asked last summer we have a majority saying 'wrong'.

So on the 26th April (excluding don't knows) 48.9% said 'right', 51.1% said 'wrong'