UK General Election 2017

[Jack Knave]

No we might rejoin because we actually want to be good neighbours. At some point all the people who want to live in the 50's when |Auld England was Merrie will be dead and the people left will be able to build a hopeful future in which our neighbours are our friends, not our enemies.

You said in a few years time. Those people won't all be dead.

I doubt your scenario. If we were doing well and prospering then we would have no need to join - it's not in the Britain temperament for these kind of things (utopian projects), which has been evident since we joined. We are independent types. So the only reason we would be knocking on their door would be because as I said. We would be begging to join as we basically did in 1972.

[jeremyp]

I doubt your scenario. If we were doing well and prospering then we would have no need to join - it's not in the Britain temperament for these kind of things (utopian projects), which has been evident since we joined.

Speak for yourself. The referendum showed that 48% of the voters do have the vision to build a better Europe instead of kicking it apart.

We are independent types. So the only reason we would be knocking on their door would be because as I said. We would be begging to join as we basically did in 1972.

Maybe we will be begging to join after the Brexiteers have driven us on the rocks.

I'm sorry but our day is passing. Younger people without the baggage of nostalgia for the days of empire will be taking over and they will build a future inside Europe where we belong building alliances with our neighbours not kicking them in the teeth.

[Nearly Sane]

What a shame!



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-39749203

[Nearly Sane]

Interesting times


https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/apr/27/eu-to-debate-recognising-united-ireland-to-allow-swift-return-for-north

[Jack Knave]

Speak for yourself. The referendum showed that 48% of the voters do have the vision to build a better Europe instead of kicking it apart.
Maybe we will be begging to join after the Brexiteers have driven us on the rocks.

I'm sorry but our day is passing. Younger people without the baggage of nostalgia for the days of empire will be taking over and they will build a future inside Europe where we belong building alliances with our neighbours not kicking them in the teeth.

I love your misuse of the phrase 'build a future'

I think you'll find they are kicking each other in the teeth. At the moment it is being kept under raps but soon it will show its ugly face.

[jeremyp]

I love your misuse of the phrase 'build a future'

I think you'll find they are kicking each other in the teeth. At the moment it is being kept under raps but soon it will show its ugly face.

Actually, they are not kicking each other in the teeth. Excepting Greece, the EU is doing pretty nicely at the moment.

[Ricky Spanish]

Tim Farron has been forced to deny he believes g*y sex is a sin after days of intense questioning but not one "journalist" has turned round and asked that other committed Christian in government what her views are. Theresa May track record against the LGBT community is downright nastier than that of the Lib Dem leader but not one peep of that in the Con run MSM.

https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/856950316742344704


I wish a Journo would ask her directly if she thinks G*y sex is a sin, it would be interesting to see how she shoehorns her standard response of "Strong and Stable" into the answer....

**ETA** - Have you set up a rule that stops certain words from being posted?

[Nearly Sane]

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**ETA** - Have you set up a rule that stops certain words from being posted?

No, it's a 'feature' of the hosting server which has always been about that we don't have control over.

[Ricky Spanish]

Ohhh OK. Guess I have never used the Gay and sex words as a phrase before now!

[Robbie]

Tim Farron has been forced to deny he believes g*y sex is a sin after days of intense questioning but not one "journalist" has turned round and asked that other committed Christian in government what her views are. Theresa May track record against the LGBT community is downright nastier than that of the Lib Dem leader but not one peep of that in the Con run MSM.

https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/856950316742344704


I wish a Journo would ask her directly if she thinks G*y sex is a sin, it would be interesting to see how she shoehorns her standard response of "Strong and Stable" into the answer....

**ETA** - Have you set up a rule that stops certain words from being posted?

Theresa May appears to have genuinely changed her views on LGBT issues a few years ago and says if the same questions. on which she previously voted negatively,came up again she would vote differently. Not unlike many people.

[Ricky Spanish]

Interesting blog by The Herald Columnist Iain MacWhirter

May is a serial abuser of the democratic process

POSTED BY IAIN MACWHIRTER ⋅ APRIL 29, 2017

ELECTIVE dictatorship is an ever present danger in Westminster’s antiquated system of government, where the Prime Minister still exercises the pre-democratic powers of the monarchy. The Fixed-term Parliament Act of 2011 (FTPA) was one attempt to modernise our system by denying political leaders the undemocratic right to call an election at a moment of their own choosing: ie whenever the opposition party was weakest.

David Cameron enacted the FTPA, which is the norm in most democratic countries, and Theresa May voted for it in 2011. So much for all that. She wasn’t going to let the law get in the way of exploiting Labour’s internal divisions to win a quick and dirty 100-seat majority. Labour went along with her coup, as Nicola Sturgeon pointed out, with all the enthusiasm of turkeys voting for an early Christmas.

There really is no justification for this snap election. Theresa May said repeatedly that Britain needed “a period of stability” following Brexit, and she was right.  The world needs a period of stability following Donald Trump, Syria and heightened international tensions in South East Asia. Voters have no idea of what kind of EU relationship they’re voting for – and neither does the Government Theresa May is a serial abuser of the democratic process.

Last year she tried to use royal prerogative to push through Article 50, triggering Brexit without MPs being allowed a vote. It was left to the Supreme Court judges to remind her that Britain is supposed to be a parliamentary democracy. Then Queen May opposed Parliament’s right to have a meaningful say on the final deal with Brussels on the grounds that this might “weaken her hand” in negotiations with Brussels. She dismissed the Scottish Parliament vote for a referendum in 2019, saying “now is not the time”, then called her own snap election. This she justified on the dubious grounds that political parties are opposing her in Parliament – which is exactly what they are supposed to do.

Theresa May is behaving like a Home Counties version of Turkey’s president, Recep Erdogan. She’s even refused to submit to a televised debate, which is now an essential element of the democratic process. Presumably, she senses that all her early promises to govern for “working-class families” and not “the privileged few” will disintegrate, if exposed to view. For it is becoming clearer by the day that Brexit was not just about Europe – it was something akin to a right-wing coup.

The most conservative elements of the British Establishment saw the narrow and ambiguous 52 per cent Leave vote in June as an opportunity finally to push through the kind of reforms many have dreamed of since the days of Margaret Thatcher. Leading Brexit ministers like Liam Fox have made no secret of their desire for a “small state” solution. The International Trade Secretary, who has close links with right-wing think tanks here and in America, wants to roll back the remnants of the welfare state and turn Britain into a low-tax, low-regulation haven for the most exploitative form of global capitalism. Fox even claimed that David Cameron had collaborated with “a great socialist coup”.

https://iainmacwhirter.wordpress.com/2017/04/29/may-is-a-serial-abuser-of-the-democratic-process/

[Nearly Sane]

String and stable food bank use by nurses



http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/theresa-skewered-live-tv-refusing-10326568

[Walt Zingmatilder]

String and stable food bank use by nurses



http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/theresa-skewered-live-tv-refusing-10326568

Theresa May's stance for today....a strong and stable orange.
Mind you you can't get much more stable than thick brown leather.

[Nearly Sane]

'I am sorry, Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that'


https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/apr/30/kim-jong-may-awkward-and-incredulous-as-journalist-asks-question?CMP=share_btn_tw

[Nearly Sane]

The official election artist



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39768131

[jakswan]

The hard left reduced to sneering all over this thread, very sad.

Any comment on policy?

Triple lock becoming a double lock

[Nearly Sane]

The hard left reduced to sneering all over this thread, very sad.

Any comment on policy?

Triple lock becoming a double lock

You don"t think nurses using food banks is about policy?

[Udayana]

'I am sorry, Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that'


https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/apr/30/kim-jong-may-awkward-and-incredulous-as-journalist-asks-question?CMP=share_btn_tw

Has been fairly clear for ages that May is hopeless in interviews and thinking on her feet, she relies on committees to come up with policies and arguments. That is why she won't participate in any TV leaders debates. Luckily for her, Labours leader has no intention of becoming a PM 
   

[Nearly Sane]

Has been fairly clear for ages that May is hopeless in interviews and thinking on her feet, she relies on committees to come up with policies and arguments. That is why she won't participate in any TV leaders debates. Luckily for her, Labours leader has no intention of becoming a PM 
 

Corbyn not going for the debates is just bizarre

[ProfessorDavey]

The hard left reduced to sneering all over this thread, very sad.

Who, in your opinion, represents the hard left on this forum?

[floo]

The hard left reduced to sneering all over this thread, very sad.

Any comment on policy?

Triple lock becoming a double lock

I haven't come across any hard left posters, some extreme right wingers, though!

[jakswan]

You don"t think nurses using food banks is about policy?

No that is an issue what is the policy to address the issue and what will it cost?

[Nearly Sane]

No that is an issue what is the policy to address the issue and what will it cost?

Didn't ask if it was a policy. May's answer on it was policy and idea free though.

[jeremyp]

Corbyn not going for the debates is just bizarre

No. Without Theresa May, a debate for him is a no win situation. Best case scenario: he doesn't screw up against the also rans. Worst case scenario: the Lib Dems eat his lunch.

Without the party in power and front runner, the debates are a pointless waste of time for Corbyn.

[jeremyp]

Didn't ask if it was a policy. May's answer on it was policy and idea free though.

No. It was your response to Jakswan's request for a comment on policy. I think it's reasonable for him to infer that any response to his question would involve a comment on policy and therefore he is fine to call you out for just mentioning an issue.

The policy you were looking for was Labour's pledge to abolish the 1% cap on NHS pay rises.