UK General Election 2017

[Ricky Spanish]

Fish.....

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Tories no stronger or stabler than anyone else.

[Ricky Spanish]

I think the biggest mistake we could make would be to get rid of Trident and our nuclear arsenal.

Really?

Why?

What exactly are they protecting us from, or more to the point who exactly are they deterring?

[floo]

Tories no stronger or stabler than anyone else.

Yet they are set for a landslide victory according to Labour!

[Ricky Spanish]

Yeah yadda yadda..

But I would still like to know why nuclear missiles are important to you Floo.

I keep hearing this word "deterrent" being bandied about by Yoonatics, still haven't got an answer about who or what they are deterring though?

Seeing as you seem to be the Self-serving big mouth of the forum, surely you must have the answer....

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[Nearly Sane]

Michael Fallon, marginally better than Jeremy Hunt



http://anotherangryvoice.blogspot.co.uk/2017/05/the-tory-defence-minister-michael.html

[Nearly Sane]

This misses that Davidson in the interview implied the rapeclause was passed by vote in the HoC rather than a Statutory Instrument that avoided debate


http://bellacaledonia.org.uk/2017/05/11/ruth-meets-a-journalist/

[Humph Warden Bennett]

This misses that Davidson in the interview implied the rapeclause was passed by vote in the HoC rather than a Statutory Instrument that avoided debate


http://bellacaledonia.org.uk/2017/05/11/ruth-meets-a-journalist/

Quite possibly Ms Davidson does not know what a Statutory Instrument even is.

[jakswan]

Michael Fallon, marginally better than Jeremy Hunt

http://anotherangryvoice.blogspot.co.uk/2017/05/the-tory-defence-minister-michael.html

Daily Mail socialist style.

Getting my popcorn ready for the post election Labour bloodbath, suspect JC isn't going to resign, the centre-left will be openly hostile

We need opposition not this, I think the LibDem fightback isn't going to happen either. Hopefully we can see centre left make some sort of comeback.

[Nearly Sane]

Daily Mail socialist style.

Getting my popcorn ready for the post election Labour bloodbath, suspect JC isn't going to resign, the centre-left will be openly hostile

We need opposition not this, I think the LibDem fightback isn't going to happen either. Hopefully we can see centre left make some sort of comeback.

What's wrong with the analysis of Fallon?

[jakswan]

What's wrong with the analysis of Fallon?

He evaded the question, it does break a manifesto promise but they are recruiting.

Didn't realise you cared about the size of the British Army so much?

[Nearly Sane]

He evaded the question, it does break a manifesto promise but they are recruiting.

Didn't realise you cared about the size of the British Army so much?

No, he lied. And I care about lying. As I presume you do too.

[jakswan]

No, he lied. And I care about lying. As I presume you do too.

So you want the army to be bigger or smaller? Or are just trying to score a political point, don't see how that gets us anywhere. It occurs to me that the left have given up, at least in Blairs time people tried to persuade floating voters and came up with arguments. 

I thought he evaded, not an impressive performance however what is the alternative? 

I'm not a fan of May just can't get my head around her supporting fox hunting, can't go with LibDems because of their position on Brexit and Labour are inept.

[Nearly Sane]

So you want the army to be bigger or smaller? Or are just trying to score a political point, don't see how that gets us anywhere. It occurs to me that the left have given up, at least in Blairs time people tried to persuade floating voters and came up with arguments. 

I thought he evaded, not an impressive performance however what is the alternative? 

I'm not a fan of May just can't get my head around her supporting fox hunting, can't go with LibDems because of their position on Brexit and Labour are inept.

Why is pointing that  someone is lying just a political point? And what does 'a political point' mean here? Surely all points about politics, including your posts here are 'political points'?

And as to your lazy generalisation about the 'left' whatever the 'left' actually meand surely that's the point if the manifesto which propose things?

[jakswan]

Why is pointing that  someone is lying just a political point? And what does 'a political point' mean here? Surely all points about politics, including your posts here are 'political points'?

And as to your lazy generalisation about the 'left' whatever the 'left' actually meand surely that's the point if the manifesto which propose things?

Apologies should have stated political point scoring. I don't see any political discussion or debate in this election and virtually zero on this forum.

Maybe I'm guilty, ok I'll start I think Labours Corp Tax plans are not wise, receipts from corporation tax are at an all time high.

https://www.ft.com/content/ca3e5bd2-2a7e-11e7-9ec8-168383da43b7

We are yet to find out how much more tax the >£80k earners will have to pay I suspect its going to be a lot, and when they don't pay or generate what Labour thought they will come after the middle earners.

[jeremyp]

Maybe I'm guilty, ok I'll start I think Labours Corp Tax plans are not wise, receipts from corporation tax are at an all time high.

https://www.ft.com/content/ca3e5bd2-2a7e-11e7-9ec8-168383da43b7

We are yet to find out how much more tax the >£80k earners will have to pay I suspect its going to be a lot, and when they don't pay or generate what Labour thought they will come after the middle earners.

It's a fundamental flaw in Labour's plans. They don't seem to understand the effect taxes have on income. If you slap extra tax on income over £80k, you give people an extra incentive to hide their income over £80k. If you earn £100k and Labour slaps an extra 5% on all earnings above £80k, there's an extra £1,000 in your budget to find more tax efficient means of earning money. Putting tax up has a negative pressure on declared taxable income, plus the money the government takes in taxes is not being used to buy goods and services, which is negative pressure on other people's taxable income.

If Labour has calculated that the taxable income of the whole country over individual earnings of £80k is (as a guess) £10 billion and that adding 5% tax to that income will net them £500million, they are hopelessly wrong. Not only will that £10 billion mysteriously shrink, but so will the taxable income of the people that the £80k+ people buy stuff off.

It should be effing obvious and I couldn't possibly trust anybody to run a government who can't see that.

[wigginhall]

I am guessing now that Corbyn knows he can't win, but he is aiming for the vote that Miliband got.    I think this was 30%.  Presumably, if he gets this or above, he will say to the right wing, OK, big shots, what have you got, not in so many words.   It's all a bit pathetic, but part of the general nervous breakdown that Labour are going through.

[jeremyp]

I am guessing now that Corbyn knows he can't win, but he is aiming for the vote that Miliband got.    I think this was 30%.  Presumably, if he gets this or above, he will say to the right wing, OK, big shots, what have you got, not in so many words.   It's all a bit pathetic, but part of the general nervous breakdown that Labour are going through.

On the assumption that Corbyn is not going to win, for everybody's sake, he needs to lose really badly. We have got to get rid of him and any loss not so bad that he doesn't need to resign is a disaster for Britain.

[floo]

Whilst I wish to see Corbyn gone as he is hopeless as the leader of the Labour Party, it would not be a good idea for the Tories to have too huge a majority, imo. I think the Government of the day should never get too cock a hoop, and should have to watch its back.

[Aruntraveller]

Whilst I wish to see Corbyn gone as he is hopeless as the leader of the Labour Party, it would not be a good idea for the Tories to have too huge a majority, imo. I think the Government of the day should never get too cock a hoop, and should have to watch its back.

I know it's awful when a leader consistently says what he will do and doesn't change his mind when a result/public opinion goes another way. Absolutely spineless.

[jakswan]

On the assumption that Corbyn is not going to win, for everybody's sake, he needs to lose really badly. We have got to get rid of him and any loss not so bad that he doesn't need to resign is a disaster for Britain.

He won't go.

[Nearly Sane]

He won't go.

He might if the make up of the MPs, or the rules on nomination changed, was such that a candidate that he could approve of could get nominated

[jakswan]

He might if the make up of the MPs, or the rules on nomination changed, was such that a candidate that he could approve of could get nominated

As I sundaerstand it to stand again following a vote of no confidence he needs no nominations. If he does go a replacement will need 15%, come September this will be lowered to 5%, so another hard left candidate would not get in now but would post September.

Every reason for JC to hold on, every reason for centre left to get him out now. There will be blood.

[floo]

I know it's awful when a leader consistently says what he will do and doesn't change his mind when a result/public opinion goes another way. Absolutely spineless.

In the unlikely event Labour wins the election, I suspect Corbyn will change his mind when he discovers he can't keep his election pledges.

[Nearly Sane]

As I sundaerstand it to stand again following a vote of no confidence he needs no nominations. If he does go a replacement will need 15%, come September this will be lowered to 5%, so another hard left candidate would not get in now but would post September.

Every reason for JC to hold on, every reason for centre left to get him out now. There will be blood.

All I was pointing out that as well as the rule change, if the party was reduced to a size where Corbyn supporters ade up 15% of the MPs, he might go before then. If the rule change does come in in September, I think he may well go if there had been a bad lies. If so, I doubt there will be a challenge completed before then though it may force someone to run.