UK General Election 2017

[Nearly Sane]

If it can't continue, it will only be because it can't elect an effective leader.

That works on the assumption that it can be led surely?

[jeremyp]

That works on the assumption that it can be led surely?

Of course it can be led. Throughout most of its history, the Labour Party has been led well (in my opinion).

[Nearly Sane]

Of course it can be led. Throughout most of its history, the Labour Party has been led well (in my opinion).

Which tells you nothing about the current issues it has. What is it for?

[wigginhall]

Which tells you nothing about the current issues it has. What is it for?

Nobody knows.  The old industrial heartlands have gone, and hence the solid Labour votes.  Blair patched up a kind of coalition between the traditional Labour votes and middle class areas, but that fell apart.   I expect that a new patch-up can be achieved, but also Labour has to spend time in the wilderness, as is traditional.   

I think one day Corbyn will be thanked, for taking them through this.   After him, who knows.  Back to the right wing, I suppose.  Starmer or Khan?

[jakswan]

No, it's the opposite of spineless.

Actually Corbyn was anti-EU forever then wasn't, anti-NATO now isn't, anti-Trident but current manifesto supports Trident, he seems a bit wishy-washy on Falklands, telling police to shoot to kill, and is not reversing cuts to benefits.

Not that I'm saying he is spineless politicians have a right to change their mind.

[Nearly Sane]

I have to resist my tendency as I age to suggest it's all going tits up BUT this is a fecking shocking election. We have moved from policy to (lack of) personality to politics of nostalgia for times that never existed! Anecdote rules, and any facts are doubted as soon as they are shown to be true. I never had a huge faith in the fustercluck we call democracy but we piss in its face daily. Strong and stable but lying and evading. An election called on a lie because of a referendum called by an idiot coward and yet those are the winners?

Meanwhile we won't do anything about climate change, about the coming tsunami of joblessness, the South Sea bubble of south east property prices because it is too hard because the fitless wucks who get their vote have no clue what is going on but buy the Mail that tells you computers give you cancer because the niggers use them.


One of those days when I not only think dogs are our equals but we should be put down.

[jakswan]

If anyone is interested quite insightful interview.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nu-J16VQho8

[Nearly Sane]

And meanwhile Labour suspend the entirety of its elected councillors in Aberdeen


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetland-39940006

[jakswan]

And meanwhile Labour suspend the entirety of its elected councillors in Aberdeen

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetland-39940006

Against Tory austerity but ok with SNP austerity perhaps?

[Nearly Sane]

Against Tory austerity but ok with SNP austerity perhaps?

That is a non sequitur to the story.

[Gonnagle]

Dear Make up yer Bloody Mind

I will now be voting for that Spineless MP Mr Jeremy Corbyn, the Tories are going to win of that I have no doubt but at least I can walk around with my head held high and say, I voted for honesty, integrity and a man of compassion.

Oh and it will give me a little pleasure to point the finger when it all goes tits up to say, hey!! I told you so

Gonnagle.

[Nearly Sane]

Dear Make up yer Bloody Mind

I will now be voting for that Spineless MP Mr Jeremy Corbyn, the Tories are going to win of that I have no doubt but at least I can walk around with my head held high and say, I voted for honesty, integrity and a man of compassion.

Oh and it will give me a little pleasure to point the finger when it all goes tits up to say, hey!! I told you so

Gonnagle.

I hadn't realised you had moved to Islington.

[Aruntraveller]

I hadn't realised you had moved to Islington.

Yep - me and Gonners have got a flatshare there. We're just off out to get our Che Guevara cushion covers.

[Nearly Sane]

Yep - me and Gonners have got a flatshare there. We're just off out to get our Che Guevara cushion covers.

which will,given it is Islington, be made of ground up wasp nest.

[Gonnagle]

Dear Trent,

I am making no jokes about choosing cushions you can but then I will accuse you of stereotyping


Dear Sane,

Did you catch the Jeremy Vine show that was broadcast from Islington yesterday, the man who used to sell Jeremy Corbyn his underwear is now a Uber driver, I still haven't a clue why he thought that should be mentioned

Dear Forum,

Jeremy Vine interviewed Jeremy Corbyn on his show today, it was very strange to listen to a honest MP.

Gonnagle.

[Nearly Sane]

Dear Trent,

I am making no jokes about choosing cushions you can but then I will accuse you of stereotyping


Dear Sane,

Did you catch the Jeremy Vine show that was broadcast from Islington yesterday, the man who used to sell Jeremy Corbyn his underwear is now a Uber driver, I still haven't a clue why he thought that should be mentioned

Dear Forum,

Jeremy Vine interviewed Jeremy Corbyn on his show today, it was very strange to listen to a honest MP.

Gonnagle.

Didn't hear it but then since he isn't standing in my constituency i won't be voting for him.

[jeremyp]

Which tells you nothing about the current issues it has. What is it for?

The main current issue it has is that there no effective leadership. The Labour Party has not had effective leadership since Tony Blair stepped down.

[jeremyp]

I voted for honesty, integrity and a man of compassion.

I'll give you the last of those which might be enough considering May is 0 for 3 by my reckoning.

[Nearly Sane]

The main current issue it has is that there no effective leadership. The Labour Party has not had effective leadership since Tony Blair stepped down.

if a party is merely there to be led, it has no point.

[Gonnagle]

Dear Jeremyp,

Effective Leadership??

Effective.

successful or achieving the results that you want:

Now that has really got me thinking.

Blair/no, Cameron/no, Major/no, Brown/no.

Maggie, well yes but that all depends on where you stand.

May, a remainer who is looking for a hard Brexit, can a Leopard change its shorts.

Corbyn, won the battle to lead his party then went on to defend and increase his majority to win again the leadership of his party.

Of the above, who would you choose to lead this country.

Gonnagle.

[Ricky Spanish]

Have you read the Election manifestos?

I'm ploughing my way through the Tory one at the moment after spending the past few days pondering over Labours. I know it's traditional that nobody actually reads party manifestos as by this time the vast majority of voters have already made up their minds which box they're going to tick.

Those who are undecided usually choose on the basis of leadership, not election pledges. But as far as I'm concerned manifestos matter as they are a guide to parties’ philosophy.

Shame they can be so turgid!!

[Udayana]

They are all hopeless.

Suggest voting based on the views or character of the candidates standing in your own constituency - assuming they have even bothered to present themselves. 

[Nearly Sane]

Have seen it suggested elsewhere that Liam Fox is the tip for Chancellor in the event of a Tory victory.

[Nearly Sane]

Have you read the Election manifestos?

I'm ploughing my way through the Tory one at the moment after spending the past few days pondering over Labours. I know it's traditional that nobody actually reads party manifestos as by this time the vast majority of voters have already made up their minds which box they're going to tick.

Those who are undecided usually choose on the basis of leadership, not election pledges. But as far as I'm concerned manifestos matter as they are a guide to parties’ philosophy.

Shame they can be so turgid!!

I usually read the bits that for whatever reason I am most concerned about but I have to see they often are unreadable. It's often death by acronym and it's very hard to link much of the philosophic rhetoric to the details.

The highlight for me  so far is that the Tories expect every 11 year old to know their times table off by heart.

[floo]

I usually read the bits that for whatever reason I am most concerned about but I have to see they often are unreadable. It's often death by acronym and it's very hard to link much of the philosophic rhetoric to the details.

The highlight for me  so far is that the Tories expect every 11 year old to know their times table off by heart.

I am hopeless at maths but I knew all mine by the time I was 7/8, it was expected in those days.