UK General Election 2017

[ProfessorDavey]

Someone tweeted when these things happen the right get angry at the terrorists and the left get angry at the right.

Clearly you haven't been paying attention to the astonishing attacks on Corbyn and his ilk, linking his views on the IRC to the Manchester atrocities by a whole raft of right wing commentators in the media and on blogs. Don't forget that The Sun chose to retain a front page yesterday that focussed on attacking Corbyn for supporting terrorism (in their eyes) with the headline 'blood on his hands' well after they were aware of the events in Manchester.

And I'm no fan of Corbyn as you well know.

[Nearly Sane]

Bizarre story about US intelligence leaking the name of the terrorist to the press.   Who needs enemies, etc.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/manchester-attack-us-leaks_us_592488f1e4b00c8df29f5622

It will no doubt also provide grist to mill of those arguing this as with every other terrorist attack is a false flag.

[Anchorman]

It's a forlorn hope, but I really DO hope this obscenity in Manchester doesn't become a mini 'Falklands factor' for the governing party.

[wigginhall]

It's a forlorn hope, but I really DO hope this obscenity in Manchester doesn't become a mini 'Falklands factor' for the governing party.

I think it's too late for that, Jim.  May has been let off the hook with regard to her car crash over social care, and now the trash press can get on with their narrative that Corbyn loves terrorism.   It's a slam dunk for May.   

[jakswan]

Not often I agree with Paul Nuttall but here I do. The 'suspension' of campaigning is a fiction anyway with the MSM coverage.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40026416

I think most people would feel very uncomfortable making political gain out of recent events.

[jakswan]

Clearly you haven't been paying attention to the astonishing attacks on Corbyn and his ilk, linking his views on the IRC to the Manchester atrocities by a whole raft of right wing commentators in the media and on blogs. Don't forget that The Sun chose to retain a front page yesterday that focussed on attacking Corbyn for supporting terrorism (in their eyes) with the headline 'blood on his hands' well after they were aware of the events in Manchester.

And I'm no fan of Corbyn as you well know.

What right wing commentators?

The Mail & Sun are trash rags, don't tell me some on the left don't do the same thing.

[Nearly Sane]

I think most people would feel very uncomfortable making political gain out of recent events.

campaigning in the election is not making political gain out of Manchester.

[floo]

I see the ghastly UKIP is to resume its election campaign today, no doubt they hope the dreadful events in Manchester will boost their chances. 

[Nearly Sane]

I see the ghastly UKIP is to resume its election campaign today, no doubt they hope the dreadful events in Manchester will boost their chances. 

As per the link already posted, it's tomorrow they are resuming campaigning. I see nothing wrong in that itself. The ongoing campaigning in the MSM with the narrative that Corbyn wants to blow up your children is making a mockery of any suspension. 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40026416

[ProfessorDavey]

What right wing commentators?

When not here I spent some time on the political betting blog, which although not specifically a right wing blog has recently been predominantly so. Go check it out and see the level of anti left wing (and specifically anti Corbyn inner circle) posting linking him to Manchester.

Then go check out Guido - probably the most high profile right wing blogger around at the moment.

The Mail & Sun are trash rags, don't tell me some on the left don't do the same thing.

But you (in your usual someone told me way) were implying that it was the left predominantly blaming the right on this - I'm not saying that doesn't happen but I see no evidence that it is tipped that way, quite the reverse I'm seeing far more right wing comment linking Corbyn to Manchester (typically about comments made decades ago about the IRA) compared to left wing comments that might just be asking whether Home Secretary Amber Rudd and her predecessor (one T May) might need to answer some questions about failure of the security services to keep teenage girls safe when the bomber (at the least) was on their radar.

[ProfessorDavey]

Just a snippet from Political Betting - and fairly standard, in reply to someone suggesting that if Corbyn had been PM he might be too indecisive (not an unreasonable suggestion):

The reply:

'Ridiculous. He would have swiftly moved to criticize the true enemy that forced the poor man to blow himself up: Israel.'

[jakswan]

When not here I spent some time on the political betting blog, which although not specifically a right wing blog has recently been predominantly so. Go check it out and see the level of anti left wing (and specifically anti Corbyn inner circle) posting linking him to Manchester.

Then go check out Guido - probably the most high profile right wing blogger around at the moment.

Fair comment on Guido they are OTT, but it is both sides.

https://skwawkbox.org/2017/05/24/may-calls-in-troops-to-hide-her-weakness-and-blame-ge17/

But you (in your usual someone told me way) were implying that it was the left predominantly blaming the right on this - I'm not saying that doesn't happen but I see no evidence that it is tipped that way, quite the reverse I'm seeing far more right wing comment linking Corbyn to Manchester (typically about comments made decades ago about the IRA) compared to left wing comments that might just be asking whether Home Secretary Amber Rudd and her predecessor (one T May) might need to answer some questions about failure of the security services to keep teenage girls safe when the bomber (at the least) was on their radar.

I stated I had seen a tweet which said with regard to acts of terrorism that the right get angry at the terrorists and the left get angry at the right. I'm not aware of any senior left leaning politician being unequivocal in their condemnation of the terrorists.

Actually just checked the site you mentioned.
https://order-order.com/2017/05/23/stroud-labour-manchester-attack-wonderful-timing-for-may/

The vice-chair of Stroud Labour Party has tweeted that the Manchester terror attack is “wonderful timing for Theresa May“.

[floo]

People who make capital out of the terrible event of Monday are beyond belief!

[Aruntraveller]

I'm not aware of any senior left leaning politician being unequivocal in their condemnation of the terrorists.

Jeremy Corbyn on Manchester attack:

"This is an appalling act of violence against people and it must be totally and unreservedly and completely condemned."

That sounds pretty unequivocal to me.

[ProfessorDavey]

I'm not aware of any senior left leaning politician being unequivocal in their condemnation of the terrorists.

What on earth are you on about.

I'm not aware of any senior left leaning politician being anything other than unequivocal in their condemnation.

So to start with - the first politician I heard making any statement was Andy Burnham - you know the left leaning Mayor of Greater Manchester. Can you point out where he was anything other than unequivocal in his condemnation of the attack?

[ProfessorDavey]

Jeremy Corbyn on Manchester attack:

That sounds pretty unequivocal to me.

Likewise Andy Burnham

http://metro.co.uk/2017/05/23/manchester-bombing-was-evil-attack-targeting-children-andy-burnham-says-6654837/

Or Sadiq Khan

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/may/24/londoners-share-manchester-heartbreak-crush-home-grown-extremism

[Aruntraveller]

Likewise Andy Burnham

http://metro.co.uk/2017/05/23/manchester-bombing-was-evil-attack-targeting-children-andy-burnham-says-6654837/

Or Sadiq Khan

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/may/24/londoners-share-manchester-heartbreak-crush-home-grown-extremism

There is obviously a definition of unequivocal that I am unaware of.

[ProfessorDavey]

I stated I had seen a tweet which said with regard to acts of terrorism that the right get angry at the terrorists and the left get angry at the right.

Why state that you'd seen it unless you think there is something in it. It is the oldest trick in the book - to say something but kind of claim that you were only saying what someone else had said.

[Nearly Sane]

Nicola Sturgeon on the bombing

 “Terrorists and extremists seek to divide us and destroy our way of life.

"As human beings, we cannot comprehend the twisted motivations that lead people to carry out such atrocities, particularly when they target children and young people in such a callous way."

Can't see the equivocation


Kezia Dugdale's statement


http://www.scottishlabour.org.uk/blog/entry/kezia-dugdale-statement-on-manchester-terror-attack

Can't see the equivocation

Patrick Harvie

http://www.thehighlandtimes.com/news/2017/05/23/manchester-attack-harvie-pays-tribute/

Can't see the equivocation

[Nearly Sane]

Why state that you'd seen it unless you think there is something in it. It is the oldest trick in the book - to say something but kind of claim that you were only saying what someone else had said.

The bizarre thing about both the tweet and jakswan's posting in relation to it disprove it. The tweet attempts to portray the 'left' as at fault, I.e. it is angry at them, and jakswan's provably wrong assertion about the equivocation from senior left figures is also an indication of misguided anger at the 'left'.

[Nearly Sane]

People who make capital out of the terrible event of Monday are beyond belief!

If you mean by that political capital, it seems to me impossible to avoid in some ways. If you honestly think that multiculturalism is a bad thing and see the attack as in part the result then in saying so, you are only putting your opinion forward.

It's a different case from people like Katie Hopkins who uses it to increase her own celebrity with the obviously calculated mention of a final solution.

[jakswan]

What on earth are you on about.

I'm not aware of any senior left leaning politician being anything other than unequivocal in their condemnation.

So to start with - the first politician I heard making any statement was Andy Burnham - you know the left leaning Mayor of Greater Manchester. Can you point out where he was anything other than unequivocal in his condemnation of the attack?

Unfortunate lack of use of double negative, I meant to say they have all been unequivocal, well apart from the one I linked to who isn't a senior anyway.

[jakswan]

The bizarre thing about both the tweet and jakswan's posting in relation to it disprove it. The tweet attempts to portray the 'left' as at fault, I.e. it is angry at them, and jakswan's provably wrong assertion about the equivocation from senior left figures is also an indication of misguided anger at the 'left'.

No it was merely badly phrased. The original tweet I thought was merely interesting.

[jakswan]

Nicola Sturgeon on the bombing

Don't know how many times I've told you, she ain't left mate.

[Nearly Sane]

No it was merely badly phrased. The original tweet I thought was merely interesting.

Fair enough. Though i found the tweet groaningly tedious