UK General Election 2017

[Anchorman]

I see the ghastly UKIP is to resume its election campaign today, no doubt they hope the dreadful events in Manchester will boost their chances. 

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Much though I loathe UKIP, I agree that we should resume campaigning.
Anything less would be a victory for the murderer.

[Aruntraveller]

Good article from today's Guardian highlighting how the new social care policy will hit the disabled in particular.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/may/25/dementia-tax-theresa-may-prime-minister-disabled-people

Read and weep.

[ProfessorDavey]

Inheritance tax is a real problem. Apart from the fact that it is raised on income that has already been taxed once ...

That's simply not the case - it is a myth that inheritance tax is somehow double taxation.

Inheritance tax is paid by the recipient, i.e. those that inherit, not by the person who has died, so there is no issue of double taxation - the person or people required to pay the inheritance tax have never been previously taxed on that income.

But even if they were, so what. The concept of double taxation is part and parcel of our tax system. Most things we buy with our already taxed income are subject additionally to VAT. When I pay council tax it is out of my already taxed income. If I fill up my car with petrol that is out of taxed income, but additionally I pay fuel duty and VAT.

So firstly double taxation isn't an issue, and secondly inheritance tax is actually one of the very few examples where there cannot be an issue of double taxation.

[floo]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40053427

Corbyn hasn't done himself, or his party, any favours with his latest speech!

[Nearly Sane]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40053427

Corbyn hasn't done himself, or his party, any favours with his latest speech!

What do you think was wrong about his speech?

[floo]

What do you think was wrong about his speech?

In the light of the atrocity Manchester it is crass to say the very least.

[Nearly Sane]

In the light of the atrocity Manchester it is crass to say the very least.

in what way? Seems to me knowing what we should do about Manchester and why it happened would be important to talk about in the midst of a general election. Again I ask what do you think was wrong about what he actually said?

[floo]

My husband and I have voted, we have a postal vote, the forms arrived yesterday and were posted this morning.

[wigginhall]

It seems odd to me to say that we should not talk about something, because it has happened during an election.   If one is consistent with this, we mustn't talk about anything that happens now.   Why not?

Of course, the right wing will try to distort what Corbyn has said, but that is normal.   I notice that Boris has said that Corbyn is justifying terrorism - of course, he isn't.

[Nearly Sane]

I think in the report Johnson is lying to avoid the possible issues of govt policy and Farron is being a fool because his candle might go out or something. Disagreeing with Corbyn would be good, telling the voters what you think should happen, hurrah, but this 'Don't talk to me about Manchester' is drivel. I just suspect that in Johnson's case it is  deliberate lying whereas Farron is trying not to do hard politics.

[ProfessorDavey]

Farron is being a fool because his candle might go out or something.

[wigginhall]

I think in the report Johnson is lying to avoid the possible issues of govt policy and Farron is being a fool because his candle might go out or something. Disagreeing with Corbyn would be good, telling the voters what you think should happen, hurrah, but this 'Don't talk to me about Manchester' is drivel. I just suspect that in Johnson's case it is  deliberate lying whereas Farron is trying not to do hard politics.

If you can't discuss terrorism - possible causes and solutions - when a terrorist atrocity has occurred - eh?   How does that work?  We are supposed to pretend that it hasn't happened.   

[Nearly Sane]

If you can't discuss terrorism - possible causes and solutions - when a terrorist atrocity has occurred - eh?   How does that work?  We are supposed to pretend that it hasn't happened.

Well Farron just wants us all to be sad, while Johnson and Wallace don't want any questions asked, questions affect strongosity and the stableness.

[wigginhall]

Yes, Mrs May is now regally in charge, and looking very imposing in Downing St.   And you must not ask about cuts to the police, as that is actually unpatriotic, and characteristic of terrorist lovers.   And any more mention of dementia taxes will be treated with the disdain that is deserves.   We have spoken, we have decided, and we do not have a grandchild. 

[Nearly Sane]

Yes, Mrs May is now regally in charge, and looking very imposing in Downing St.   And you must not ask about cuts to the police, as that is actually unpatriotic, and characteristic of terrorist lovers.   And any more mention of dementia taxes will be treated with the disdain that is deserves.   We have spoken, we have decided, and we do not have a grandchild.

You mentioned police cuts, you are wigginhall, the terrorist apologist, no, sympathesiser, no, just terrorist! Get him, get him everyone for being an evil! We cannot allow discussion otherwise babies will all be feed to the nasty brown peoples spiraliser and served up as bacon bits!

[wigginhall]

I confess to all that.  To my great shame, I have been questioning the Great Leader, then whom none is beyond.  I have used the word 'Manchester', to her great affront,  I have looked at the opinion-poll-porn which shows her lead  being cut by the Great Satan himself.   I have mentioned dementia, for which I deserve my tongue to be cut out.   All this, yes, shows how I have been led astray.   Forwards to victory, and a resounding Brexit! 

[jakswan]

I think Corbyn has every right to talk about Manchester. As the Guardian reporter said on daily politics there isn't any policy emerging from what he said just more hand wringing.

As Andy Burnham more or less said 'I don't want this to be about Islam' sums up Labour.

[Nearly Sane]

I think Corbyn has every right to talk about Manchester. As the Guardian reporter said on daily politics there isn't any policy emerging from what he said just more hand wringing.

As Andy Burnham more or less said 'I don't want this to be about Islam' sums up Labour.

Does it sum up Labour? In what way? And surely the reversal of police cuts is a policy? And what did he actually say?

[jakswan]

Does it sum up Labour? In what way? And surely the reversal of police cuts is a policy? And what did he actually say?

He doesn't want it to be about Islam yet in part it is, an extreme interpretation of it. It sums up Labour in my view as idealism / realism, e.g. you can try to tax the rich more but they will end up leaving, you can raise corporation tax but receipts will fall.

Source BBC

Former MP and Labour minister Tom Harris has criticised the speech today by Jeremy Corbyn - linking Britain's involvement in wars overseas with terror attacks at home - saying that that he had "grave reservations" both on the tone and content of what Mr Corbyn was saying.

Mr Harris said: "He has spoken a great deal about the culpability of the West which is a theme which he has pursued for the last 30 years and he has said nothing at all about Islamism which is actually the root cause of domestic and international terrorism.

"I think he is buying into the Islamist agenda entirely."

[Nearly Sane]

He doesn't want it to be about Islam yet in part it is, an extreme interpretation of it. It sums up Labour in my view as idealism / realism, e.g. you can try to tax the rich more but they will end up leaving, you can raise corporation tax but receipts will fall.

Source BBC

Is it? I mean I could think that things are slightly more complex than something happening in a vacuum. Also surely the paraphrase of whatever he did say, implies that he doesn't want it only to be about Islam, I.e. he might think it is more complex, something which by your 'In part' you show you actually agree with.

As to you point on taxation, you seem to be implying that the Laffer curve is actually a straight line (as well as being a simplistic piece of nonsense) so that the maximum tax raised will be at the lowest if all tax rates. I doubt you meant to imply that so I'm not sure what your point is.


And dear old Tom Harris, did you mean to use a quote from a particular Labour politician to show that something which you claim is what Labour is all about is obviously then untrue.

And to  note also it's a misrepresentation of Corbyn's actual condemnation.

BTW did you miss the question on police cuts, and what Burnham actually said?

[Walt Zingmatilder]

He doesn't want it to be about Islam yet in part it is, an extreme interpretation of it. It sums up Labour in my view as idealism / realism, e.g. you can try to tax the rich more but they will end up leaving, you can raise corporation tax but receipts will fall.

Source BBC

The economy needs rebalanced. You can't have the majority continually working more for less and a minority getting more for less and stashing. The rich will always be with us since your belief that the rich are specially gifted or even specially virtuous. They will leave an economic niche.
having a big cake is OK, augmenting one proportionate to talent with other peoples cake not OK.

[jakswan]

Is it? I mean I could think that things are slightly more complex than something happening in a vacuum. Also surely the paraphrase of whatever he did say, implies that he doesn't want it only to be about Islam, I.e. he might think it is more complex, something which by your 'In part' you show you actually agree with.

It was the impression I took from what he said, that impression sums up Labour, I see them currently as overly idealistic.

As to you point on taxation, you seem to be implying that the Laffer curve is actually a straight line (as well as being a simplistic piece of nonsense) so that the maximum tax raised will be at the lowest if all tax rates. I doubt you meant to imply that so I'm not sure what your point is.

No its complex, the IFS said there is a £9billion gap in Labours plans based on their using their own optimistic analysis.   
https://www.ft.com/content/ca3e5bd2-2a7e-11e7-9ec8-168383da43b7

And dear old Tom Harris, did you mean to use a quote from a particular Labour politician to show that something which you claim is what Labour is all about is obviously then untrue.

And to  note also it's a misrepresentation of Corbyn's actual condemnation.

BTW did you miss the question on police cuts, and what Burnham actually said?

More police is foreign policy? 

[Nearly Sane]

It was the impression I took from what he said, that impression sums up Labour, I see them currently as overly idealistic.

No its complex, the IFS said there is a £9billion gap in Labours plans based on their using their own optimistic analysis.   
https://www.ft.com/content/ca3e5bd2-2a7e-11e7-9ec8-168383da43b7

More police is foreign policy?

Your post implies that it isn't complex, the IFS make an estimate, they are more accepting of the Laffer curve than I am but I still don't know how they are sure where they are in it.

You asked about policy not foreign policy specifically. However I would think that not selling arms and not supporting SA would be such.

[jakswan]

The economy needs rebalanced. You can't have the majority continually working more for less and a minority getting more for less and stashing. The rich will always be with us since your belief that the rich are specially gifted or even specially virtuous.

Misrepresentation, stop being dishonest.

They will leave an economic niche.
having a big cake is OK, augmenting one proportionate to talent with other peoples cake not OK.

I don't disagree but I want it to be effective.

I could get a better job, a lot more stress and it would pay me more but since 40% of my extra earnings go to the Govt I'm inclined not to bother. Higher taxes can kill aspiration.

I'm with Labour on tax evasion of big companies, however what I've heard from MacDonnell in the past is that he wants a sales tax. Won't make a blind bit of difference to Google their UK sales are recorded in Ireland.

[jakswan]

You asked about policy not foreign policy specifically. However I would think that not selling arms and not supporting SA would be such.

It would, is that Labour policy?