UK General Election 2017

[Nearly Sane]

It would, is that Labour policy?

I think it is certainly what is implies and a further emphasis on that is what is being pushed by Corbyn in the speech, which the Foreign Secretary of the Govt that was touting its wares to the Saudi's  thought was somehow disgusting even to be talking about.

[jakswan]

I think it is certainly what is implies and a further emphasis on that is what is being pushed by Corbyn in the speech, which the Foreign Secretary of the Govt that was touting its wares to the Saudi's  thought was somehow disgusting even to be talking about.

I checked its in the manifesto.

We are talking about this as I posted:-

As the Guardian reporter said on daily politics there isn't any policy emerging from what he said just more hand wringing.

In full context the reporter was talking about how Labour would deal with the issue of terrorism.

[Nearly Sane]

I checked its in the manifesto.

We are talking about this as I posted:-

As the Guardian reporter said on daily politics there isn't any policy emerging from what he said just more hand wringing.

In full context the reporter was talking about how Labour would deal with the issue of terrorism.

It's sort of like a guessing game, first we started at policy, and that was reversing the police cuts, then it was foreign policy and that was covered by Arms and support for SA, so now it's about terrorism. Isn't what you do about terrorism a mix of home and foreign policy?

[jakswan]

It's sort of like a guessing game, first we started at policy, and that was reversing the police cuts, then it was foreign policy and that was covered by Arms and support for SA, so now it's about terrorism. Isn't what you do about terrorism a mix of home and foreign policy?

I should have been more clear, the guardian reporter was specially responding to Corbyns speech. I don't see how not selling arms to SA or increasing the police deals with terrorism.

Current strategy is Contest, which is mostly handled by Prevent Officers, central intelligence.

I don't see how a change in foreign policy impacts on terrorism either since not intervening in Afghanistan prior to 9/11 saw the rise of extremism, it rose again when we intervened in Iraq, rose again when we didn't intervene much in Syria.

[Aruntraveller]

My husband and I have voted, we have a postal vote, the forms arrived yesterday and were posted this morning.

SO have you gone for the war-mongering, feather nesting, dementia taxing, austerity loving, weak & wobbly candidate?

[floo]

SO have you gone for the war-mongering, feather nesting, dementia taxing, austerity loving, weak & wobbly candidate?

UKIP of course, HA! HA!

[Aruntraveller]

UKIP of course, HA! HA!

Oh so you have voted Conservative then?

[floo]

Oh so you have voted Conservative then?

I voted for the candidate not the party, I happen to have met him when he visited us some years ago. He is a nice guy and I rate him as he has done a good job as MP for our constituency.

I hope Labour doesn't do too badly, as it would not be good for the country if the Tories were too far ahead.

[ProfessorDavey]

I don't see how ... increasing the police deals with terrorism.

Err because police are at the front line of community policing which is key in detecting radicalisation and in uncovering terrorist plots. The less police you have the more likely one plot will slip through the net.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

My husband and I have voted, we have a postal vote, the forms arrived yesterday and were posted this morning.

That must have been what the drumroll and fanfare were all about then.

[Rhiannon]

Really?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40069110

[floo]

Really?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40069110

Oh dear!

[jakswan]

Have to hand it to Corbyn he even has me thinking maybe it wouldn't be so bad to shake things up a bit.

[jakswan]

Err because police are at the front line of community policing which is key in detecting radicalisation and in uncovering terrorist plots. The less police you have the more likely one plot will slip through the net.

I think that is handled by counter intelligence, there are already too many radicals for them to track.

[ProfessorDavey]

I think that is handled by counter intelligence, there are already too many radicals for them to track.

The police play an absolutely critical role too - less police, less opportunities to foil a plot.

[jakswan]

The police play an absolutely critical role too - less police, less opportunities to foil a plot.

I don't agree since all plots foiled have been done by counter terrorism units afaik, but think the police have been cut too much so its a good policy to increase numbers.

[Rhiannon]

I think it is undeniable that the police play an invaluable role in stopping attacks in their tracks, as at Westminster and in France on various occasions.

[ProfessorDavey]

I don't agree since all plots foiled have been done by counter terrorism units afaik, but think the police have been cut too much so its a good policy to increase numbers.

Don't be ridiculous - the police play a critical and vital role from beginning to end in terms of prevention of terrorism. Right from their engagement with local communities where they may be the first to become aware of an issue of radicalisation, through to literally being present as an incident unfolds to prevent or reduce its impact. Don't forget that in the Westminster bridge incident it was police officers, not counter terrorism, that prevented the terrorist getting any further than he did.

[jakswan]

Don't be ridiculous - the police play a critical and vital role from beginning to end in terms of prevention of terrorism. Right from their engagement with local communities where they may be the first to become aware of an issue of radicalisation, through to literally being present as an incident unfolds to prevent or reduce its impact. Don't forget that in the Westminster bridge incident it was police officers, not counter terrorism, that prevented the terrorist getting any further than he did.

They play a roll, so to counter terrorism labour want more police.  Doesn't make sense to me it's not a policy designed to counter terrorism, can't recall labour pitching it as that either.

Will see what their manifesto says.

Can you calm down a little you seem very on edge these days. I'm with you the Tories are a mess Labour is the only alternative.

[floo]

Diane Abbot had a pretty disastrous interview with Andrew Marr on his show this morning, imo.

[Robbie]

Yes she did but should we judge her on things she said many years ago or on her record as a very good MP?
I don't feel the same way about many issues as I did when I was a teenager in the 1970s but no-one's gonna quote me.

[floo]

Yes she did but should we judge her on things she said many years ago or on her record as a very good MP?
I don't feel the same way about many issues as I did when I was a teenager in the 1970s but no-one's gonna quote me.

The stupid woman should have said categorically she was wrong back then, where the Irish situation is concerned. But she gave the impression she still felt the same about the issue. She certainly isn't doing Labour any favours as this is the second botched interview she has given. They should lock her in the cupboard until the election is over so she doesn't do them anymore damage.

[Nearly Sane]

The stupid woman should have said categorically she was wrong back then, where the Irish situation is concerned. But she gave the impression she still felt the same about the issue. She certainly isn't doing Labour any favours as this is the second botched interview she has given. They should lock her in the cupboard until the election is over so she doesn't do them anymore damage.

Just so long as as it isn't the same cupboard that the Tories use to put their people who botch interviews and figures in, otherwise with Hammond,  Fallon, Johnson and May in there with Abbott, it will be like sardines. 

[Robbie]

Agreed. Abbott is no worse than, & lot better than,some, who said or gave an impression years gone by which is unpopular now. Many people were in sympathy with the IRA on a political basis,just not terrorist acts!  Let's not forget that.  Plus she was trying to stick up for Labour's leader in a diplomatic way, not easy task

I'd have thought that attempt at diplomacy alone showed some political nouse! Or is Diane Abbott past her sell by date and too entrenched in local politics? I can't judge, she strikes me as an honourable person and will doubtless work that one out for herself.

[jakswan]

The stupid woman should have said categorically she was wrong back then, where the Irish situation is concerned. But she gave the impression she still felt the same about the issue. She certainly isn't doing Labour any favours as this is the second botched interview she has given. They should lock her in the cupboard until the election is over so she doesn't do them anymore damage.

It was unfortunate but there is zero chance Corbyn will have free reign to do what he wants, many in the Labour party are pretty central sensible politicians. It is a parliamentary democracy, eventually I think Labour will rid itself of centrists but that is some way off.

I thought May was terrible with Andrew Neil, when questioned on extra NHS funding her reply was in effect, trust us, the actual policy is to channel extra revenue from growth in the economy into the NHS.

I thought the social care policy was a very progressive system but now will favour the richest keeping their wealth.