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Re: UK General Election 2017
« Reply #1175 on: June 10, 2017, 10:04:03 AM »
May’s attempt at coalition with the homophobic, science denying NI fruit loops doesn’t hold, Corbyn asks for support from SNP & Lib Dems to run a minority Government, either or both agree but the price is a Parliamentary vote once Brexit deal available, Brexit negotiated, Parliament decide it’s worse than remaining, sets up an independent office of fact checking and holds second referendum, public looks over the cliff and rejects the deal, Article 50 application to leave withdrawn, bluehillside buys nice little barn conversion in Tuscany.

You read it here first folks!

Whilst that might sound nice, I rather think that those looking over the cliff edge will still see what they want to see, a vision of the Promised Land, free of all them garlicky foreigners, far away in the distance and as long as they keep the faith, all will be well in the end.  Markets react quickly, but the economy moves only slowly and I think its going to be more a case of a slow motion car crash over 10 years, 20 years, 30 years, and whatever hits the economy accumulates during that time there will always be sufficient complexity and uncertainties in the maths for the tabloids to blame other factors for our demise.

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« Reply #1176 on: June 10, 2017, 10:08:50 AM »
True. Look at Greece.. still going strong even though we are told their economy wasn't/isn't.

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« Reply #1177 on: June 10, 2017, 10:10:00 AM »
Every pie created these days has some sort of base....
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« Reply #1178 on: June 10, 2017, 10:36:23 AM »
Is this what you are looking for?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGAbh0uMDcY

BTW way Swannie - Traffic is so fuckin' low on this site these days that I'm sure enabling YouTube player won't make any dent on bandwidth...

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Re: UK General Election 2017
« Reply #1179 on: June 10, 2017, 11:01:44 AM »
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« Reply #1180 on: June 10, 2017, 11:12:49 AM »
Fringe idiot MP Chris Leslie ,labour, talked earlier today about how Corbyn missed the open goal and failed at this election.

Did the BBC locate him because he is obviously Odd or because of their general anti Corbin position.

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« Reply #1181 on: June 10, 2017, 11:19:36 AM »
Fringe idiot MP Chris Leslie ,labour, talked earlier today about how Corbyn missed the open goal and failed at this election.

Did the BBC locate him because he is obviously Odd or because of their general anti Corbin position.

That Corbyn failed to win is a fact, he is not as much a failure as first thought.
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Re: UK General Election 2017
« Reply #1182 on: June 10, 2017, 11:20:45 AM »
Fringe idiot MP Chris Leslie ,labour, talked earlier today about how Corbyn missed the open goal and failed at this election.

Did the BBC locate him because he is obviously Odd or because of their general anti Corbin position.

While I am not sure it could have been won, I agree with jeremyp's post. In the euphoria people have forgotten it's a loss. I wrote the below for elsewhere on my virtual timeline but it covers a lot of this ground


'Despite many smiles, waves and the occasional copping of a feel from Labour yesterday, they lost. They didn't lose as badly as was thought likely, they have even done well enough to stop a majority but it is still a loss. The 'we are ready to present a queen's speech' while the sort of thing that you have to say, and a nice little tweak of the wheat field vandal.

Now, I know how it feels, the temptation to point out that you nearly made the Tories Rudd-erless, that you won Canterbury which hadn't been Labour since Thomas A Becket, that Jeremy Corbyn owns Roman Abramovich. These ephemeral victories are what stones you up when you have to campaign for the council elections a year hence and it's pishing. They are the left over glow of the Ready Brek of hope. They are what allows you to think One More Push is all that is needed.

BUT that one more push is five years down the track and for millions that is too long. The oddities of our electoral system have produced what appears to be a deal between a robot and a group of people whom think The Flintstones was a documentary. Now while I bow to no one in my distaste for the ideas of the DUP, 10 eejits are not going to look out of place amongst the more traditional areas of the Tories backwoods. They also will have little impact if any on mainland social policy. The problem is that I cannot see how the brokering of the rocky settlement in NI can be done by a govt that is propped up by one side.

But let us leave, the problems of NI for later, what does the Labour Party do now. It must forget the vision when the exit poll first appeared that for those with a basic grasp of mental arithmetic figures Labour, SNP, Lib Dem were showing in total as same number as the Tories and then the realisation was that not displayed on the first rank of parties were Plaid and for the cherry on top, St Caroline of Green. The progressive thingumybob lived!

Well not really, the DUP were always there, as were Sinn Fein mumbling that they weren't coming because the Queen smells of the poo and of the wee. And then the exit poll was very slightly off, though so little there to deserves to be a John Curtice memorial dance. Now it is true there is a possibility of another election on these numbers, but please Nooooooooooooooooooooo!!!! We have wasted 6 weeks and a couple of hundred million in this one. If there is one next time,it won't be better.

So a suggestion that is not going to down well with anyone with party politics at their core, from someone who has been through them with the abandon of Goldilocks but never found one that was just right. Brexit will happen,  what matters is how. Offer to not vote out the Tories but to oppose their policies generally and if they can't get them through to work with them on alternatives but on the basis of the negotiations for Brexit being cross all parties to get the best deal for the UK., and no deal with the DUP.  This is the biggest thing we have done since the Second World War, show leadership and the ability to negotiate and drive forward, and aim for 1945 in 2022.'


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Re: UK General Election 2017
« Reply #1183 on: June 10, 2017, 11:44:41 AM »
Thanks for your post.
The obvious nonsense put forward by ChrisLeslie was that the election was an open goal for CorbynThat the BBC gave him scope for this is consistent with the BBC anti Corbyn opinion IMHO.

Having failed to destroy Corbyn I think the press will try getting us to forget the result vis the Express describing the result as an Upset and Pearce on LBC "forgetting" Corbyns name.

Expect silence, articles on statins and rose growing, and light orchestral classics instead of right wing shock jocks.
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Re: UK General Election 2017
« Reply #1184 on: June 10, 2017, 11:45:54 AM »
Jonathan Pie's enthusiastic overview of the election. (Strong language warning, for the nervous Nellies):

https://youtu.be/qsGVghRBdKI
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Re: UK General Election 2017
« Reply #1185 on: June 10, 2017, 11:52:28 AM »
Thanks for your post.
The obvious nonsense put forward by ChrisLeslie was that the election was an open goal for CorbynThat the BBC gave him scope for this is consistent with the BBC anti Corbyn opinion IMHO.

Having failed to destroy Corbyn I think the press will try getting us to forget the result vis the Express describing the result as an Upset.

Expect silence, articles on statins and rose growing, and light orchestral classics instead of right wing shock jocks.
oh ffs, the it was the nasty press schtick gives you nothing here. I waded through wheat fields of that pish last night from people saying the BBC was obviously biased because Question Time had three 'progressives' on it to 2 holders of the one true flame. Shunting about it isn't going to be the zone Big Push. This country is in the midst of a huge change and you are maundering about some wank on a radio programme. I take it you attacked them for shoeing Anna Soubry yesterday attacking May?

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Re: UK General Election 2017
« Reply #1186 on: June 10, 2017, 12:12:43 PM »
The delights of the west of Scotland. The musical faction of the DUP celebrating their entrance into govt outside my house this morning. Some of the followers seem to have been celebrating from very early.

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« Reply #1187 on: June 10, 2017, 12:19:16 PM »
Apparently 300,000 people have already signed a petition against a Tory/DUP coalition.

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« Reply #1188 on: June 10, 2017, 12:21:59 PM »
It's currently 435,000.
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Re: UK General Election 2017
« Reply #1189 on: June 10, 2017, 12:24:54 PM »
oh ffs, the it was the nasty press schtick gives you nothing here. I waded through wheat fields of that pish last night from people saying the BBC was obviously biased because Question Time had three 'progressives' on it to 2 holders of the one true flame. Shunting about it isn't going to be the zone Big Push. This country is in the midst of a huge change and you are maundering about some wank on a radio programme. I take it you attacked them for shoeing Anna Soubry yesterday attacking May?
Rubbish

Dimunition of Corbyn achievement is vital for the maintenance of Tory culture in the party, in the press and yes, in the BBC.

I understand as a Scottish commentator Corbyn looms less on your political radar.

You are therefore complicit in the dimunition of the political shift in favour of the Conservative retrotopia which seeks to paint the election as a little "upset".

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« Reply #1190 on: June 10, 2017, 12:25:18 PM »
It's currently 435,000.

Jolly good, and rising steadily one hopes. I have signed it, has anyone else on here done so?

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« Reply #1191 on: June 10, 2017, 12:25:39 PM »
I just have.
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« Reply #1192 on: June 10, 2017, 12:30:54 PM »
Rubbish

Dimunition of Corbyn achievement is vital for the maintenance of Tory culture in the party, in the press and yes, in the BBC.

I understand as a Scottish commentator Corbyn looms less on your political radar.

You are therefore complicit in the dimunition of the political shift in favour of the Conservative retrotopia which seeks to paint the election as a little "upset".

It isn't a little upset, it's a loss. It doesn't matter what happens unless you actually manage to do something. Sitting there moaning about Chris Leslie or me because people haven't noted that not doing as badly as some thought isn't a glorious victory when you haven't noticed that it is a loss is indulgent and self obsessed.

It's what the Labour Party does now is import ant and if it is going to sit like you on the sidelines, and go oh look the BBC talked to a nasty Labour MP, then it will become an irrelevance. Forget about the media portrayal of the defeat and see what you can do with it.

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« Reply #1193 on: June 10, 2017, 12:38:10 PM »
I just have.

So have I.

The sight of those lunatic taig hating prods on the government front bench aint amusing.

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« Reply #1194 on: June 10, 2017, 12:44:31 PM »
As part of the dimunition of Corbyn achievement.
Press and BBC now turning this into a GreatMan drama centred on May and Foster.
I understand in the tradition of offering effectively fuck all by way of expiation. The public are being offered two non entities Fiona Hill and the chap with the beard.

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« Reply #1195 on: June 10, 2017, 12:44:44 PM »
So have I.

The sight of those lunatic taig hating prods on the government front bench aint amusing.
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« Reply #1196 on: June 10, 2017, 12:45:52 PM »
Apparently 300,000 people have already signed a petition against a Tory/DUP coalition.

It is a petition against a deal, no one is talking of coalition. If you don't want the Tories to do a deal with DUP then start campaigning to get SNP/Labour/LibDems to do a deal with Tories otherwise there is no choice.

Its almost a petition to end democracy.
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« Reply #1197 on: June 10, 2017, 12:53:52 PM »
It isn't a little upset, it's a loss. It doesn't matter what happens unless you actually manage to do something. Sitting there moaning about Chris Leslie or me because people haven't noted that not doing as badly as some thought isn't a glorious victory when you haven't noticed that it is a loss is indulgent and self obsessed.

It's what the Labour Party does now is import ant and if it is going to sit like you on the sidelines, and go oh look the BBC talked to a nasty Labour MP, then it will become an irrelevance. Forget about the media portrayal of the defeat and see what you can do with it.
You are the one on the sidelines.
I will work to alert when forgetting, minimising or ignoring of the progressive parties is evident in my opinion.
Apart from Gonnagle the political view of the Scottish commentators has been more concerned with the view of wee Ecky on Mull rather than the British perspective.

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Re: UK General Election 2017
« Reply #1198 on: June 10, 2017, 12:59:38 PM »
It is a petition against a deal, no one is talking of coalition. If you don't want the Tories to do a deal with DUP then start campaigning to get SNP/Labour/LibDems to do a deal with Tories otherwise there is no choice.

Its almost a petition to end democracy.
Isn't a petition a way of campaigning?

You don't need a deal, the Tories could run as a minority. Though as I suggested in my post to Vlad, I think Labour should offer opposition but not to through the Tories out in a no confidence vote in return for all party driving of Brexit and no DUP deal.
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« Reply #1199 on: June 10, 2017, 12:59:55 PM »
It is a petition against a deal, no one is talking of coalition. If you don't want the Tories to do a deal with DUP then start campaigning to get SNP/Labour/LibDems to do a deal with Tories otherwise there is no choice.

Its almost a petition to end democracy.

This what happens with the Internet.

I have read that Ruth Davidson has asked Tezza for assurances regarding gay rights, Ruth seems to have forgotten that the DUP loathe Catholics even more than they loathe gays.