UK General Election 2017

[Shaker]

I think he'll make a bloody mess of it on a monthly basis if (spare us) given a chance.

But the Murdoch rags will support him at any rate.

[Nearly Sane]

Surely not another Tory election scandal?


https://www.channel4.com/news/revealed-inside-the-secretive-tory-election-call-centre

[Nearly Sane]

Theresa May and the Holy Grail


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luTHYeuFayI

[floo]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40403434

TM and the DUP have agreed a deal! I see trouble ahead!

[Aruntraveller]

I do wonder how on Earth this deal is possiblem dtill at least we have proof of the existence of the fabled magic money tree.

[floo]

I do wonder how on Earth this deal is possiblem dtill at least we have proof of the existence of the fabled magic money tree.

The deal could fall apart if what TM has promised doesn't materialise as the dosh isn't there to fund it.

[Nearly Sane]

A billion is less than a rounding error. Given the Tory manifesto wasn't costed at all, I don't see that costing is the issue.

[Humph Warden Bennett]

The Tory Party exist so as to be in power.

If they have to make deals so as to justify their existence, they will do so.

[floo]

The Tory Party exist so as to be in power.

If they have to make deals so as to justify their existence, they will do so.

If the deal with the DUP goes belly up, the Tories might find they are out of power for a very long time.

[JP]

Jeremy says he will be PM in six months.

[Nearly Sane]

Jeremy says he will be PM in six months.

Maybe he just got the letters MP the wrong way round. To be fair I am  sure he might have passively indulged in some party pharmaceuticals at Glastonbury.

[Shaker]

Jeremy says he will be PM in six months.

No idea if he actually said this, but I can only hope he's right.

[Aruntraveller]

No idea if he actually said this, but I can only hope he's right.

Chappie that runs Glastonbury reported that he had said it to him.

[Shaker]

Perhaps he knows something we don't 

[Nearly Sane]

Chappie that runs Glastonbury reported that he had said it to him.

Can I vote for Nile Rodgers?

[Aruntraveller]

Can I vote for Nile Rodgers?

I think everyone should vote for Nile Rodgers. Underrated or what.

Anyhow - back to this 'billion is less than a rounding error' - not in our house it ain't. But I take your point it is a small amount in the great scheme of things, but I think a party who dismisses others economic plans quite so cavalierly as the Tories do should make some pretence at caring about what the electorate think - particularly currently.

As I said small beer - but the NHS total debt is 'only' 2.5 billion. Perhaps Theresa should shake that tree again.

[Nearly Sane]

I think everyone should vote for Nile Rodgers. Underrated or what.

Anyhow - back to this 'billion is less than a rounding error' - not in our house it ain't. But I take your point it is a small amount in the great scheme of things, but I think a party who dismisses others economic plans quite so cavalierly as the Tories do should make some pretence at caring about what the electorate think - particularly currently.

As I said small beer - but the NHS total debt is 'only' 2.5 billion. Perhaps Theresa should shake that tree again.

The debt for the NHS is significant because it is budgeted against 0. It's not a big cost overall, but that isn't comparing like with like. The point I ead making is that the actual known cost of a billion isn't an issue and simply talking about magic money trees falls into a mistake that condemns spending even if it is minimal and rational.

The entirety of  the Tory manifesto wasn't costed so it wasn't even wrong. That is what people should concentrate on here not the billion.


Vote Nile Rodgers - it's Chic

[Aruntraveller]

and simply talking about magic money trees falls into a mistake that condemns spending even if it is minimal and rational.

I agree. But you do know who started talking about magic money trees in the first place. Sauce for goose etc. Other suitable idioms I am sure are available.

[Nearly Sane]

I agree. But you do know who started talking about magic money trees in the first place. Sauce for goose etc. Other suitable metaphors I am sure are available.

it's all a bit Dr Evil though. It's the same way people talk about the overseas aid budget so that people go 'A Billion dollars!'while ignoring that the cost on pensions is the most significant cost and growing.

We just launched a single aircraft carrier today that cost 3 billion.

[Aruntraveller]

YEs but that is kind of my point. The Tories with their talk of money trees encourage economic illiteracy for their own gain. Not unlike a certain figure of £350 million a week.

That £350m could just be pissed away in the wind and we'd hardly notice - but as a headline or rallying call for the economically naïve, it worked.

[Nearly Sane]

YEs but that is kind of my point. The Tories with their talk of money trees encourage economic illiteracy for their own gain. Not unlike a certain figure of £350 million a week.

That £350m could just be pissed away in the wind and we'd hardly notice - but as a headline or rallying call for the economically naïve, it worked.

And? There's as much economic illiteracy encouraged by the idea that if you raise taxes you get x more income. The Laffer curve is naive and simplistic but it does expose the idea of taxes being easily predictable. I don't buy the idea that because the other side is crap , it means you can ignore your own crapness.

[jakswan]

And? There's as much economic illiteracy encouraged by the idea that if you raise taxes you get x more income. The Laffer curve is naive and simplistic but it does expose the idea of taxes being easily predictable. I don't buy the idea that because the other side is crap , it means you can ignore your own crapness.

Both sides were misleading in the manifestos according to the IFS. They said about Labour's Corp Tax Plan:-

Increasing rates will raise less revenue in the medium to long run because firms would respond by investing less in the UK. This in turn would depress economic activity and lead to fewer jobs and lower wages. There is a very high degree of uncertainty about how large these effects are but estimates suggest that they may be substantial. The potential size of these effects is an indication of why the OECD and others judge corporation tax to have a particularly damaging effect on economic growth.

https://election2017.ifs.org.uk/article/labour-s-reversal-of-corporate-tax-cuts-would-raise-substantial-sums-but-comes-with-important-trade-offs

The Tories fiscally were going for what SNP \ Milliband were advocating in 2015.

[Nearly Sane]

Both sides were misleading in the manifestos according to the IFS. They said about Labour's Corp Tax Plan:-

https://election2017.ifs.org.uk/article/labour-s-reversal-of-corporate-tax-cuts-would-raise-substantial-sums-but-comes-with-important-trade-offs

The Tories fiscally were going for what SNP \ Milliband were advocating in 2015.

Is there any relevance to your orgasm of whataboutery here?

[Aruntraveller]

Article in The Guardian today about the ConDUP arrangement:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jun/26/shoddy-dup-deal-cost-theresa-may-more-1bn?CMP=fb_gu

Find it hard to disagree with in any major way.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Why is it John Mc Donnell's poetic description of the crimes of capitalism taken literally and yet Boris Johnson's ''Pfwahpfafflepfwaargh aaaeeeaaaapflump'' translates as ''My word, that's terrific..... who else could and should be our prime minister!!!''?