Jeremy Corbyn and his policies.

[Gonnagle]

Dear Forum,

My thanks to Jakswan over on the GE thread for this link.

http://anotherangryvoice.blogspot.co.uk/2017/04/how-many-of-jeremy-corbyns-policies-do.html?m=1

The above options in detail can be found in this link.

Gonnagle.

[ProfessorDavey]

Dear Forum,

My thanks to Jakswan over on the GE thread for this link.

http://anotherangryvoice.blogspot.co.uk/2017/04/how-many-of-jeremy-corbyns-policies-do.html?m=1

The above options in detail can be found in this link.

Gonnagle.

Problem is that many of these are subjective and also you need to have confidence that he could deliver.

So for example:

'Combat inequality' - sure we can all sign up to this and I suspect all major parties believe this is what they are doing. The question is, how, how will it be paid for and will it work.

I have to laugh on 'Holding the Tories to account on Brexit' - Corbyn has completely failed to do this over the past 10 months, subserviently supporting the government every step of the way. So if he isn't doing this now, why should I believe he will in the future.

[Jack Knave]

All that is pointless until the bankers and the financial system is dealt with. That is where the money is, with those fucking parasites and financial terrorists.

[Gonnagle]

Dear Gordon,

Cheers old son, that's another pint I owe you, how many is that now

Gonnagle.

[Gonnagle]

Dear Prof and Jack,

Well I have voted for everyone, especially the renationalising of our Railways.

Gonnagle.

[floo]

Corbyn hasn't any clout, he  doesn't come across as a person who has what it takes to be a PM.

[BeRational]

I agree with lots of the aims.

How do we achieve them?

Does he have a clue?

[floo]

I agree with lots of the aims.

How do we achieve them?

Does he have a clue?

Some of his aims are laudable, but he isn't the person who can make them come about.

[jakswan]

Dear Forum,

My thanks to Jakswan over on the GE thread for this link.

http://anotherangryvoice.blogspot.co.uk/2017/04/how-many-of-jeremy-corbyns-policies-do.html?m=1

The above options in detail can be found in this link.

Gonnagle.

I never posted it I replied to it.

You forgot apple pie and mother love.

Now where is the money coming from?

[Gonnagle]

Dear Berational,

How do we achieve them?

One at a time, the good Prof has shown that we can achieve one of them on another thread quite easily, all of the above policies can be achieved if we are all committed to make this country work for everyone, not just the comfortable off.

Go on, change my mind about voting SNP.

Gonnagle.

[Gonnagle]

Dear Jakswan,

Now where is the money coming from?

From your pocket and my pocket, and the conglomerates who take the piss out of our tax system.

Gonnagle.

[jakswan]

Dear Jakswan,

From your pocket and my pocket, and the conglomerates who take the piss out of our tax system.

Gonnagle.

I see how much?

How are you going to tax the conglomerates?

Take one google....

[ProfessorDavey]

One at a time, the good Prof has shown that we can achieve one of them on another thread quite easily, all of the above policies can be achieved if we are all committed to make this country work for everyone, not just the comfortable off.

Yes we can achieve rail nationalisation pretty easily and at limited cost.

That isn't the case for many others on that list. And the details are lacking. In other cases the statement makes no sense. For example 'renationalise the NHS' - but the NHS is already a public sector nationalised organisation.

The problem is that many of the aspirations will cost very significant amounts of money, with no indication where that money will come from. It is magic money tree territory I'm afraid.

So for example 'Scrap tuition fees' OK - fine, but where will the shortfall of £9250 per student that my institution will lose from 'scrapping tuition fees' come from. Will universities be starved of cash, will Corbyn raise tax, and note that raising top levels of tax doesn't actually achieve an awful lot beyond gesture politics.

[Rhiannon]

The Tory party had scrapping tuition fees as a policy under Michael Howard and dropped it when they realised it was unworkable. Similarly I think if the figures could have been made to work Clegg would have got some kind of change in when in the Coalition.

I think that free school meals is gesture politics at its worst. The author of the study the policy is based on has said it is of limited benefit. Why not spend the money raised on more teachers, SEN provision, IT, or just give it to each school to spend as they see fit?

[Gonnagle]

Dear Prof,

For example 'renationalise the NHS' - but the NHS is already a public sector nationalised organisation.

The Tory party have been carving up the English NHS and distributing the pieces to the private sector, Jeremy Corbyn has pledged to reverse this process. Are you one of the 84% of people who thinks the NHS should be run as a not for profit public service, or the 7% who agree with the ongoing Tory privatisation agenda?

Taken from the article this thread is linked to, but I see the Tories destroying the NHS first hand, in the past two months we have had four Senior Sisters retiring with no replacements, the other Sisters struggle to keep the unit running with less and less staff, it is becoming the norm in our unit for Nurses to leave or for them to go part time.

But it does my heart proud to see those retired Sisters covering for Nurses to keep numbers up, the NHS is in crisis, we either pay for it to continue or lose it.

Fact, keep the Tories and lose the NHS, get rid of them and reclaim something which makes this little island great.

Gonnagle.

[Nearly Sane]

Dear Prof,


Taken from the article this thread is linked to, but I see the Tories destroying the NHS first hand, in the past two months we have had four Senior Sisters retiring with no replacements, the other Sisters struggle to keep the unit running with less and less staff, it is becoming the norm in our unit for Nurses to leave or for them to go part time.

But it does my heart proud to see those retired Sisters covering for Nurses to keep numbers up, the NHS is in crisis, we either pay for it to continue or lose it.

Fact, keep the Tories and lose the NHS, get rid of them and reclaim something which makes this little island great.

Gonnagle.

The NHS in Scotland is fully devolved.

[Rhiannon]

Dear Prof,


Taken from the article this thread is linked to, but I see the Tories destroying the NHS first hand, in the past two months we have had four Senior Sisters retiring with no replacements, the other Sisters struggle to keep the unit running with less and less staff, it is becoming the norm in our unit for Nurses to leave or for them to go part time.

But it does my heart proud to see those retired Sisters covering for Nurses to keep numbers up, the NHS is in crisis, we either pay for it to continue or lose it.

Fact, keep the Tories and lose the NHS, get rid of them and reclaim something which makes this little island great.

Gonnagle.

But privatisation went crackers under New Labour. How is Corbyn going to deal with the money going into private hands because of finance agreements for hospital buildings?

[Harrowby Hall]

The Tory party had scrapping tuition fees as a policy under Michael Howard and dropped it when they realised it was unworkable. Similarly I think if the figures could have been made to work Clegg would have got some kind of change in when in the Coalition.

Tertiary education was expanded massively during the last years of the 20th century. Do you remember Tony Blair saying that he wanted 50% of all school leavers to go to university? The increase in numbers undertaking HE was simply a rather cynical ruse to reduce the levels of unemployment of young people and was supported by both major parties.

Of course, this was expensive - and someone would have to pay for it. Why should "the government" pay for all these students to have super high paying jobs? If they were going to be high earners then the students should pay for it themselves was born. Brilliant. Two problems solved with a single stroke! Reduction in structural unemployment and university expansion self-funded.

There is NO way that student fees will ever be discontinued.

Education continuing beyond school leaving is an excellent conception - but it ought to look at all areas of education, not just higher education.

[Jack Knave]

Dear Prof and Jack,

Well I have voted for everyone, especially the renationalising of our Railways.

Gonnagle.

The point being is that if you try to do anything that the bankers and elites don't like they start to trash your economy i.e. they put a gun next to your head and make you an offer you can't refuse. That offer is to continue sucking the wealth out of the people and allow them to rot so they can become richer. That's what they did to Greece and now look at them. Also, essentially the South American countries etc. You have to overcome the "strong man" to add some NT material into it.

[Jack Knave]

That isn't the case for many others on that list. And the details are lacking. In other cases the statement makes no sense. For example 'renationalise the NHS' - but the NHS is already a public sector nationalised organisation.

No it's not. It is pretty much 9/10th privatised but it has all been done in the back offices etc. and they all have the NHS logo to hide the fact that they are essentially in private hands.

The problem is that many of the aspirations will cost very significant amounts of money, with no indication where that money will come from. It is magic money tree territory I'm afraid.

And when Carney came out after Brexit and said the bankers were scared and crying that they may lose their £million bonuses he found £250 billion for them. Where did that come from?

So for example 'Scrap tuition fees' OK - fine, but where will the shortfall of £9250 per student that my institution will lose from 'scrapping tuition fees' come from. Will universities be starved of cash, will Corbyn raise tax, and note that raising top levels of tax doesn't actually achieve an awful lot beyond gesture politics.

The same place Carney found £250 billion.

[Anchorman]

Of course, Corbyn would be unable to enact these policies en masse even were he elected with an overall majority. Many off them are beyond Westminster's control, being wholly or partially devolved issues.

[Ricky Spanish]

Dear Forum,

My thanks to Jakswan over on the GE thread for this link.

http://anotherangryvoice.blogspot.co.uk/2017/04/how-many-of-jeremy-corbyns-policies-do.html?m=1

The above options in detail can be found in this link.

Gonnagle.

I think you will find that JK was belittling my post with his well-informed opinion mate - I can't see JK actually reading any of the information given on the link let alone endorse it.

Credit due where credits due...

[Ricky Spanish]

Oh and he won't read this one either - it has JC's name in it:

Political propaganda works by programming intellectually lazy people with very simple tropes that they can rote learn and regurgitate instead of doing the hard work of actually researching and thinking about the issues for themselves.

Two of the most ubiquitous of these glib political propaganda tropes are the "Jeremy Corbyn is unelectable" one and the "Theresa May is a strong leader" one.

I've already written an article ripping the ludicrously counterfactual right-wing "Theresa May is a strong leader" trope to shreds (see here:http://anotherangryvoice.blogspot.co.uk/2017/04/contrasting-tory-propaganda-with-actual.html) and this article exists to confront the "Jeremy Corbyn is unelectable" one.

If every Labour Party supporter uses this as a reply every single time they see the "unelectable" trope being wheeled out, maybe it might eradicate this vacuous right-wing propaganda nonsense by getting people actually talking about Labour's actual policies, rather than just blibber-blabbering their rote-learned political propaganda tropes all over the place.

Reply to them with a link to this article and politely ask them to explain which of Corbyn's policies they actually oppose, and why.

20 Labour Party policies:

http://anotherangryvoice.blogspot.co.uk/2017/04/how-to-answer-lazy-corbyn-is.html

[SqueakyVoice]

"Jeremy Corbyn is unelectable"
...
20 Labour Party policies
(Number 18)
Holding the Tories to account over Brexit
Labour have said that they won't block Brexit, but they will seek to hold the Tories to account over it. A landslide Tory victory would be a disaster for the UK because it would allow Theresa May to pursue the most right-wing pro-corporate anti-worker Brexit possible with almost no democratic scrutiny. The only way to make sure the Tories don't push a fanatically right-wing Brexit on the nation is to ensure that there are plenty of opposition MPs to hold them to account.

So according to the author of an article on whether JC is electable, the Labour party policy on the defining issue of this election (if MaybeMaybenot is to be believed), is for there to be more Labour MPs on the opposition benches. If the author genuinely believed JC to be electable then he'd be writing about the Tories being on the opposition benches.

[Ricky Spanish]

He does... 

Or have you not noticed for some reason?

Just to throw you off track:

The BBC’s Reality Check series – a series purporting to impartially fact-check and debunk claims made by politicians and others in the media — has kicked off the general election in the authentic non-partisan manner we’ve come to expect from the BBC of late. The Beeb have attempted to discredit Labour’s economic credibility using evidence sought only from right-wing neoliberal think tanks headed by ex-Tory cabinet ministers, whilst completely disregarding contrary evidence from truly independent institutions.

One of their recent articles dismissed the Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell’s “claim” that the tax burden has been shifted away from the rich and onto everybody else by using a mishmash of “evidence’ from supposedly independent and non-political think-tanks such as the Institute for Fiscal Studies (IFS) as well as obviously partisan predictions from the Tory government.

The IFS is essentially a neoliberal institution — one which receives donations from a wide range of huge corporations — and is headed by a former Tory cabinet member — yet, the BBC consistently uses information from the IFS as if it is a genuinely independent and impartial organisation — despite the fact that it is clearly biased in the direction of their corporate masters. In the process of doing so, they also fail to look at more independent sources which clearly back up McDonnell’s claim.

The situation perfectly illustrates the institutional right-wing neoliberal bias at the heart of the BBC’s political coverage.

http://evolvepolitics.com/you-probably-wont-believe-just-how-biased-the-bbcs-latest-anti-corbyn-attack-actually-is/