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Harrowby Hall

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Re: Britons giving up booze?!
« Reply #50 on: May 14, 2017, 10:29:15 PM »
Thus spake Sass! ;D

Indeed.

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Perhaps, Sassy, you would like to point out the errors in the statistical models, developed over 150 years and empirically tested as rigorously as any other other research device, which are used by behavioural and social science researchers.



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Re: Britons giving up booze?!
« Reply #51 on: May 15, 2017, 10:59:24 AM »
Indeed.

Perhaps, Sassy, you would like to point out the errors in the statistical models, developed over 150 years and empirically tested as rigorously as any other other research device, which are used by behavioural and social science researchers.

First, prove that I am wrong.

As for the ridiculous argument above concerning social science etc. We both KNOW that random selection cannot include this.
Why can't you just accept you are wrong? Because it is me, you hate to lose an argument or to just admit that I could/can be right. But not this time. This time you cannot by any means use such a stupid argument when we are discussing the 8,000 representing the Millions. Even common sense should have told you to avoid that reply.

I have studied more than you think having done sociology amongst other things.
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Re: Britons giving up booze?!
« Reply #52 on: May 15, 2017, 12:47:48 PM »
Probability theory shows that for a population of 50,000,000 , if you want to 95% certain that your responses are + or - 2% correct then a randomised stratified sample of 2400 will be required. The reported survey used 8000 subjects - this means that the reliability of the results was considerably enhanced.

This is well supported empirically.

This is a subject in which I do have expertise - you have none.

I note that you rely on "common sense". This is a clear admission of ignorance. When someone says that something is common sense they are effectively saying:

I have no information or expertise in this area but will not let this stop me pontificating about something of which I know nothing.





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Re: Britons giving up booze?!
« Reply #53 on: May 15, 2017, 01:28:19 PM »
Probability theory shows that for a population of 50,000,000 million, if you want to 95% certain that your responses are + or - 2% correct then a randomised stratified sample of 2400 will be required. The reported survey used 8000 subjects - this means that the reliability of the results was considerably enhanced.

This is well supported empirically.

This is a subject in which I do have expertise - you have none.

I note that you rely on "common sense". This is a clear admission of ignorance. When someone says that something is common sense they are effectively saying:

I have no information or expertise in this area but will not let this stop me pontificating about something of which I know nothing.

Common sense can lead people up the garden path! Common sense would suggest if you drop a brick and a small coin together from a height, the brick which is heavier would land first, but of course they both land at the same time.

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Re: Britons giving up booze?!
« Reply #54 on: May 15, 2017, 05:34:28 PM »
Here's the latest on this subject from the ONS-
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/drugusealcoholandsmoking/bulletins/opinionsandlifestylesurveyadultdrinkinghabitsingreatbritain/2005to2016

(floo -  if you drop a brick and a small coin together from a height, the brick which is heavier would land first, but of course they both land at the same time.
I didn't know that!)
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Re: Britons giving up booze?!
« Reply #55 on: May 15, 2017, 06:25:08 PM »

(floo -  if you drop a brick and a small coin together from a height, the brick which is heavier would land first, but of course they both land at the same time.
I didn't know that!)

First articulated by Galileo. Astronauts on the Moon tried dropping a lead weight and a feather and they both hit the ground at the same time. See also Brian Cox's demonstration in a vacuum chamber.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E43-CfukEgs
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Re: Britons giving up booze?!
« Reply #56 on: May 15, 2017, 06:51:40 PM »
Now you have said that &posted the youtube link I do think I knew it but just never thought of it. I'm going to try it through bedroom window with someone standing on ground to judge.
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Re: Britons giving up booze?!
« Reply #57 on: May 15, 2017, 08:15:49 PM »
Is it common sense to expect the brick to land before the coin?

Surely, because of its greater volume and surface area the brick will experience greater air resistance than the very small coin and thus will be slowed down during its descent. The coin will land first.

Common sense ... innit!
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Re: Britons giving up booze?!
« Reply #58 on: May 15, 2017, 09:29:58 PM »
When you put it like that,yes.
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Re: Britons giving up booze?!
« Reply #59 on: May 15, 2017, 11:15:44 PM »
When you put it like that,yes.

Also if you fire a bullet from a gun horizontally and drop a bullet they will still BOTH hit the ground at the same time, albeit the one fired from the gun will be further away!
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Re: Britons giving up booze?!
« Reply #60 on: May 16, 2017, 12:04:09 AM »
That's something I won't try (even if drunk - hic  :-[).
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