Dealing with death.

[Harrowby Hall]

It does show Ad-o's position to be understandable from his point of view though.

But Ad-o and Sassy claim to be christian. This is not from the New Testament but the Old Goatherder's Book of Myths and Fairy Tales ... err ... Old Testament and so predate christianity.


According to Wikipedia, the bit which is quoted is about the incarnation and the gate is Mary.

[Robbie]

Harrowby, i get that but there are Christians who do respect and adhere to some OT laws and customs. From what i've seen no-one has said the practice outlined by ad-o is essential but there's nothing inherently wrong in it. ~To me & daresayto other Christians it borders on being legalistic but each to their own surely?

[Rhiannon]

Doesn't Ad-o argue that Jesus does away with the OT?

[Robbie]

I don't know Rhiannon. I understand that Jesus came to fulfill the scriptures but not to do away with them.

[floo]

I suspect the gospel writers created the life of Jesus to be in line with the so called OT prophecies.

[Rhiannon]

This is the Orthodox explanation of how facing the east means that you face the sun as Jesus is 'the Sun of Righteousness'.

Quite pagan really.

http://www.svluka.org/SvLuka/Teens/East.aspx

[Robbie]

Thanks for that Rhianon, guessed it must be to do with Ad-o's Orthodoxy & now I know. Somethng quite beautiful about Orthodox writings,to me at least.
Nothing wrong with it, he hasn't said it's essential to be buried facing East but is something he feels should happen with his body if possible.

[ad_orientem]

This is the Orthodox explanation of how facing the east means that you face the sun as Jesus is 'the Sun of Righteousness'.

Quite pagan really.

http://www.svluka.org/SvLuka/Teens/East.aspx

The rising sun is an icon of the risen Christ. Creation reflrcts its creator. And Christ will return from the East.

[Anchorman]

The rising sun is an icon of the risen Christ. Creation reflrcts its creator. And Christ will return from the East.

-
Actually, the term, from Malachi, is "Son of Righteousness

[ad_orientem]

Thanks for that Rhianon, guessed it must be to do with Ad-o's Orthodoxy & now I know. Somethng quite beautiful about Orthodox writings,to me at least.
Nothing wrong with it, he hasn't said it's essential to be buried facing East but is something he feels should happen with his body if possible.

What we do relrcts our faith. How we are buried is part of that. I'm not saying that if we din't do it a certain way we're doomed. Only that it's a natural thing to do.

[Humph Warden Bennett]

I suspect the gospel writers created the life of Jesus to be in line with the so called OT prophecies.

And what do you make of the Mishnah writings which claim that he was a sorceror?

[Anchorman]

Coincidentally, I've been asked to conduct a funeral in the Church next week - the minister's on hols. I went, with a couple of members of the family, to the undertakers' tonight, where the body remains in the chapel of rest till Monday. The kids dressed their father - who was eighty four - in his favourite local football team stripp and put him in the coffin themselves. We sat with him for an hour brefore we left....for a drink, both to remember their dad, and toast yet another win for the team. Quite jolly, really!

[Sebastian Toe]

The rising sun is an icon of the risen Christ. Creation reflrcts its creator. And Christ will return from the East.

East of where?

[ad_orientem]

East of where?

Right of West.

[Sebastian Toe]

Right of West.

Where is west?

[Robbie]

Where is west?

At right angles to North.

[Harrowby Hall]

East of where?

An excellent question.

Israel is east of Europe.   Japan is east of Israel.   Los Angeles is east of Japan.   New York is east of Los Angeles.   Europe is east of New York.

New York, therefore is east of Israel.  Christ will return from New York.

[floo]

And what do you make of the Mishnah writings which claim that he was a sorceror?

Never heard of them.

[Sassy]

But Ad-o and Sassy claim to be christian. This is not from the New Testament but the Old Goatherder's Book of Myths and Fairy Tales ... err ... Old Testament and so predate christianity.


According to Wikipedia, the bit which is quoted is about the incarnation and the gate is Mary.

HH,

Christianity, is not the faith it is an insult name given to those who believed Christ to be the Messiah.
It IS NOT a claim to be Christian but rather to be Jewish in that we are grafted in to the Tree so to speak because we believe
in the Messiah which is what the first Jews believed/believe.

According to the OT and the quoted scripture from Ezekiel it speaks about the Messiah NOT Mary.
If the truth be known the Roman Catholic Church is NOT the Church Christ set up and which Peter and Paul all preached about.
When the Romans hi-jacked the central belief of Christ they added their own pagan beliefs about their black madonna and child.
Then tried to centralise around Mary who whilst blessed amongst women was nothing to do with Father, Son and Holy Spirit in the great theme of things.

The true Church is built on two things.. Spirit and Truth through Christ Jesus.  The truth about Jesus Christ and the baptism of the Holy Spirit.  All these gates and we know the only way to enter is through Christ.
Everyone has fallen so far away at times because of the teachings of men. One way only Jesus Christ and it comes by faith in him and his words from God. It has nothing to do with human teachings and beliefs.

[floo]

HH,

Christianity, is not the faith it is an insult name given to those who believed Christ to be the Messiah.
It IS NOT a claim to be Christian but rather to be Jewish in that we are grafted in to the Tree so to speak because we believe
in the Messiah which is what the first Jews believed/believe.

According to the OT and the quoted scripture from Ezekiel it speaks about the Messiah NOT Mary.
If the truth be known the Roman Catholic Church is NOT the Church Christ set up and which Peter and Paul all preached about.
When the Romans hi-jacked the central belief of Christ they added their own pagan beliefs about their black madonna and child.
Then tried to centralise around Mary who whilst blessed amongst women was nothing to do with Father, Son and Holy Spirit in the great theme of things.

The true Church is built on two things.. Spirit and Truth through Christ Jesus.  The truth about Jesus Christ and the baptism of the Holy Spirit.  All these gates and we know the only way to enter is through Christ.
Everyone has fallen so far away at times because of the teachings of men. One way only Jesus Christ and it comes by faith in him and his words from God. It has nothing to do with human teachings and beliefs.

And the evidence for those assertions is?

[Sassy]

And the evidence for those assertions is?

Thought you had read the bible?

Even by general reading you can see to believe in YHWH, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, that to believe in the Messiah
and the OT would mean you were in line with Gods Truth and what that meant.
You are honestly telling me that to believe what God tells the Jews about the Messiah to be true does not make you a believer in that God and faith? Where else did the belief in the Messiah come from?

[floo]

Thought you had read the bible?

Even by general reading you can see to believe in YHWH, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, that to believe in the Messiah
and the OT would mean you were in line with Gods Truth and what that meant.
You are honestly telling me that to believe what God tells the Jews about the Messiah to be true does not make you a believer in that God and faith? Where else did the belief in the Messiah come from?

The more I read the Bible the less credible I find it. The authors portray their version of a god as a very nasty character, my god is bigger than your god. The things attributed to it apart from having no credibility, have no evidence to support them. Very few people living at the time of Jesus believed him to be the promised Messiah. The Jews are still looking out for it.

[Robbie]

Floo the Mishnah writings are early Jewish scholastic works which were part of the oral Torah and i think were among the first to be written down. Jewish people learned them off by heart.

Regarding finding East, a compass could be used to be sure of accuracy.

[Sebastian Toe]

At right angles to North.

..and if you stand at the north pole when Christ returns, in what direction will he be coming from? 

[floo]

..and if you stand at the north pole when Christ returns, in what direction will he be coming from? 

From the sky.