Tattoos

[floo]

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[Nearly Sane]

Tattoos certainly don't float my boat, especially those that are on the face. When I came across this on another forum, I was completely gobsmacked at the craziness of the people who have this done!

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/eyeball-tattoos-heres-everything-you-need-to-know_uk_590c4985e4b0104c734ddb98

Tattoos can cause infections, so it is insane to have your eyeballs tattooed; if it all goes wrong it can lead to blindness. Besides which, the whites of one's eyes can be an indication if something is wrong if they turn yellow or bloodshot, for instance.

I think deliberately endangering one's sight is an insult to people who are blind and partially sighted, who would no doubt give anything to be able to see properly again.

is skiing therefore an insult to people who cannot walk as you might break your leg?

[Nearly Sane]

I think there is a BIG difference between skiing and deliberately endangering your health as tattooing the eye could do.

That's nice,what is that BIG difference?

[Nearly Sane]

Work it out for yourself, dear!

Your claim, your burden of proof.

[Robbie]

I feel that what someone does with their body is their business but personally i intensely dislike tattoos.Often people don't stop at one little one they see them as a type of art work. As floo described, they can cover their bodies including eyes. A type of body dysmorphia I think. The risk of infection is high too but we have to accept that most tattoos are done carefully and don't result in infection.

There are a lot who have had tattoos and later regretted the fact & it's a difficult and expensive business to have them removed. One can be licensed to remove tattoos with a laser after  a course lasting only a couple of days after which they can promote themselves as tattoo removers quite legally. Dermatologists will remove tattoos but it's only done on the NHS if it can be proved as far as possible that the tattoo is causing psychological harm, privately it is beyond the means of most.

At the end of the day though it is up to the individual, if they are an adult there's no law against it.

[jeremyp]

Tattoos certainly don't float my boat,

I think we discussed this before and came to the conclusion that it would waste less time if everybody assumed that things don't float your boat by default and you would only mention the exceptions.

especially those that are on the face. When I came across this on another forum, I was completely gobsmacked at the craziness of the people who have this done!

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/eyeball-tattoos-heres-everything-you-need-to-know_uk_590c4985e4b0104c734ddb98

Yeah, actually that doesn't float my boat either. I mean, i think they look spectacular but I know that having that done would make you unemployable in my industry, also...

Tattoos can cause infections, so it is insane to have your eyeballs tattooed; if it all goes wrong it can lead to blindness. Besides which, the whites of one's eyes can be an indication if something is wrong if they turn yellow or bloodshot, for instance.

... this.

[jeremyp]

I think there is a BIG difference between skiing and deliberately endangering your health as tattooing the eye could do.

Skiing is deliberately endangering your health. Skiers are almost always well aware of the risks (I speak as an enthusiastic skier).

[Robbie]

Motor racing must come under the same category.

You make a good point about tattoos rendering people unemployable in your industry, it's probably the same in other fields. I'm sure if I'd sported obvious tattoos when applying for jobs I'd have been categorised as a certain type, maybe not fair but we are judged on appearances.

 If I was a pop/rock singer or a wrestler tattoos would go with the territory  .

[jeremyp]

Motor racing must come under the same category.

You make a good point about tattoos rendering people unemployable in your industry,

No I don't and it may be my fault for not being clear but what I meant was that these eye tattoos that Floo has linked to would make people unemployable in my industry. Most other tattoos would not be a bar (the industry in question btw is the computer software consultancy industry).

[Robbie]

Understood.

[Harrowby Hall]

If I was a pop/rock singer or a wrestler tattoos would go with the territory  .

A couple of years ago I went to Symphony Hall, in Birmingham, to hear a performance of Mahler's Resurrection Symphony. It has parts for two female soloists.

As is normally the case, the two women wore elegant, sleeveless dresses. From my seat, at the side of and above the platform, it looked as though one of the soloists was wearing some kind of veil over her right arm. When I looked more closely it was clear that she was sporting a very elaborate tattoo. Her vocal performance was entirely satisfactory but my attention was drawn to the "artwork" on her arm.

My feeling was that she had take a career-limiting decision when she had the tattoo done. I'm sure I would have felt similarly about a pop singer. The real problem about tattoos is that, perhaps unlike their wearer, they don't necessarily age gracefully.

[Nearly Sane]

A couple of years ago I went to Symphony Hall, in Birmingham, to hear a performance of Mahler's Resurrection Symphony. It has parts for two female soloists.

As is normally the case, the two women wore elegant, sleeveless dresses. From my seat, at the side of and above the platform, it looked as though one of the soloists was wearing some kind of veil over her right arm. When I looked more closely it was clear that she was sporting a very elaborate tattoo. Her vocal performance was entirely satisfactory but my attention was drawn to the "artwork" on her arm.

My feeling was that she had take a career-limiting decision when she had the tattoo done. I'm sure I would have felt similarly about a pop singer. The real problem about tattoos is that, perhaps unlike their wearer, they don't necessarily age gracefully.

And then your prejudice became a big design.

[Rhiannon]

I love tattoos and would have several were it not for a chemical allergy. I'm considering more piercings by way of compensation.

Eyeball tattooing isn't safe but if someone wishes to have it done, why not?

[Harrowby Hall]

And then your prejudice became a big design.

I willingly admit that I do not like tattoos. However, I do uphold the right of anyone to do what they like with his or her body.

I remember my grandfather's tattoo, which he had done during the First World War. By the time he had reached about 80 it looked rather sad - discoloured on wrinkled skin ...

[Rhiannon]

Inks are much better quality now and shouldn't fade, and avoiding the sun or using sun block helps. Some skin doesn't age dramatically - the nape of the neck or the instep, for example. But then I think wrinkled skin can be rather beautiful anyway.

Of course you could just do what a friend of mine did and get her first tattoo in her fifties.

[Gordon]

I think the combination of risk-taking and taste are life-enhancing.

For me it involves riding fast motorcycles as quickly as possible combined with whatever else appeals to me, such as meeting wise-men in pubs, playing musical instruments or enjoying child-like behaviour with my grand-children. I really don't care what people think of me (although I concede being retired greatly removes any need to conform).

Provided nobody is being harmed I say do what you want and don't worry about disapproval: and if you encounter disapproval either ignore it if there are no consequences of note, unless you enjoy tackling the naysayers, or fight it if you feel constrained.

It's what makes people interesting.

[Rhiannon]

No, I don't care much what people think either, Gordon. I don't take risks exactly, but I try to say yes to the things that come my way as far as possible.

[Nearly Sane]

I willingly admit that I do not like tattoos. However, I do uphold the right of anyone to do what they like with his or her body.

I remember my grandfather's tattoo, which he had done during the First World War. By the time he had reached about 80 it looked rather sad - discoloured on wrinkled skin ...

So why should that be career limiting?

[Robbie]

A couple of years ago I went to Symphony Hall, in Birmingham, to hear a performance of Mahler's Resurrection Symphony. It has parts for two female soloists.

As is normally the case, the two women wore elegant, sleeveless dresses. From my seat, at the side of and above the platform, it looked as though one of the soloists was wearing some kind of veil over her right arm. When I looked more closely it was clear that she was sporting a very elaborate tattoo. Her vocal performance was entirely satisfactory but my attention was drawn to the "artwork" on her arm.

My feeling was that she had take a career-limiting decision when she had the tattoo done. I'm sure I would have felt similarly about a pop singer. The real problem about tattoos is that, perhaps unlike their wearer, they don't necessarily age gracefully.

My feelings are the same HH but as you said later it's up to adult people what they do with their bodies.

[Harrowby Hall]

So why should that be career limiting?

Possibly because concert goers generally may share the sort of prejudices that afflict me.

[Aruntraveller]

On this issue of consciously endangering one's life.

We as a race on a daily basis consciously endanger our lives. It goes with the territory of being a human animal.

We; however subconsciously; assess the risks when crossing the road, when eating food, when getting onto transport, etc, etc, etc.

If people want to ski (I don't), have tattoos (I do but am too scared of the potential pain), partake in boxing, whatever - go ahead.

To be come so risk averse as some seem to imply here would make for a very sterile uninteresting world.

[floo]

Yes but there are some risks not worth taking, imo!

[Aruntraveller]

Yes but there are some risks not worth taking, imo!

So would you ban boxing?  The evidence for brain damage sas a result of the sport (I use the term loosely) is becoming clearer and clearer as time passes.

Are you going to stop JeremyP skiing?

How on earth do you judge what can and can't be allowed?

A side issue but you seem quite happy to impose risk on other animals with no feeling of compunction.

[floo]

So would you ban boxing?  The evidence for brain damage sas a result of the sport (I use the term loosely) is becoming clearer and clearer as time passes.

Are you going to stop JeremyP skiing?

How on earth do you judge what can and can't be allowed?

A side issue but you seem quite happy to impose risk on other animals with no feeling of compunction.

I would ban boxing it is a sport which is deliberately designed to hurt people and is very WRONG, imo.

Animals of other species aren't humansl

[Nearly Sane]

I would ban boxing it is a sport which is deliberately designed to hurt people and is very WRONG, imo.

Animals of other species aren't humansl

People of other colours aren't Caucasians. does this mean I can kill and eat them?