Ian Brady is dead

[floo]

I find his mental illness interesting, assuming he was a psychopath.   Does this mean he was responsible for what he did?  I don't know, but certainly when he wanted to go back to prison, he wasn't allowed.   I think he also got medication.

But he was considered sane enough to stand trial, but I suppose he was quite intelligent.   

It's similar to Peter Sutcliffe, I suppose.  I can also understand why people say, sod psychiatry, hang the bastards, although the law presumably would not allow that, if they are judged insane.   

Actually, I just noticed that Sutcliffe was moved back to prison, so presumably was judged sane enough.

I am no psychiatrist of course, but I suspect psychopathic behaviour is rather different to other mental health conditions and they can control their behaviour if they so wish.

[Nearly Sane]

I am no psychiatrist of course, but I suspect psychopathic behaviour is rather different to other mental health conditions and they can control their behaviour if they so wish.

That post should just end after 4 words

[wigginhall]

I am no psychiatrist of course, but I suspect psychopathic behaviour is rather different to other mental health conditions and they can control their behaviour if they so wish.

I have no idea, and I trained as a psychotherapist.  They certainly often lack empathy, and hence remorse.   But maybe empathy is part of morality, in any case.    If they see you as a machine or a piece of meat, their choices will be very different.

[Robbie]

Flooit doesn't matter that you aren't a psychiatrist, you can still read & learn.

it is possible for psychopaths to control behaviour and we must remember that most manage to stay within the law all their lives and don't commit crimes of violence which does not mean they don't create havoc in other ways because they are plausible and manipulative. There are other crimes which aren't violent such as serious fraud at which psychopaths excel.

Also there are people who have some psychopathic tendencies but would not be classified as psychopath.

There's no doubt a psychopath knows what is right or wrong from what he or she has learned by being in the world, just doesn't 'feel' it in the same way as others. There's no guilt.

From what I have now read, Brady ticks all the boxes but there are some who don't tick all of them as far as anyone can tell, but most of them.

There are differences in brain function on MRI scan in lower frontal lobe/orbital cortex (it's a while since I studied psychology but i remember this) between a psychopath and non-psychopath but it's possible the differences could be caused by other factors.

All in all a complex business.

[wigginhall]

Very complex.  You can't say that Brady is a psychopath, therefore X and Y.   Individuals are a mixture of different elements, which vary a lot.   I was just interested in the interaction between sanity and responsibility.   There are people who can't even be questioned, as they are not cognitively able.

[Robbie]

You're right there.

[Ricky Spanish]

Didn't even know he was still alive.  So his death means fuck all to me...

[floo]

Would anyone really be insensitive enough to scatter Brady's ashes on Saddleworth Moor? The coroner won't release his corpse for cremation unless he gets that assurance.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-39940080

[Robbie]

No floo I am pretty sure that was never even considered but such suggestions make news.

[floo]

No floo I am pretty sure that was never even considered but such suggestions make news.

Apparently Brady wanted his ashes to be scattered on the moor!

[Rhiannon]

'Apparently'.

[Harrowby Hall]

Why don't they just put his ashes in the dustbin and let them go to landfill like the other rubbish?

[Rhiannon]

I really fail to see what difference it makes as to what is done with his body, although I can understand the coroner's views. We have some very odd ideas about death and memorial.

[floo]

I really fail to see what difference it makes as to what is done with his body, although I can understand the coroner's views. We have some very odd ideas about death and memorial.

What sort of odd ideas?  The idea of any sort of  ceremony, including a funeral, for this evil piece of the proverbial is an anathema to many people. HH has the right idea, just put his ashes in the dustbin where they belong.

[Aruntraveller]

What sort of odd ideas?  The idea of any sort of  ceremony, including a funeral, for this evil piece of the proverbial is an anathema to many people. HH has the right idea, just put his ashes in the dustbin where they belong.

I do understand your feelings Floo - but when I see your posts on this subject I can't help feeling that you are not exactly lowering yourself to his standards, but allowing your feelings to be coarsened by his actions.

It doesn't feel healthy to me.

Much better just to let it lie - pay it no heed. (Although as I said before I'm sure the press will do their best to rub salt in the wounds of the families affected)

[floo]

I do understand your feelings Floo - but when I see your posts on this subject I can't help feeling that you are not exactly lowering yourself to his standards, but allowing your feelings to be coarsened by his actions.

It doesn't feel healthy to me.

Much better just to let it lie - pay it no heed. (Although as I said before I'm sure the press will do their best to rub salt in the wounds of the families affected)

How am I lowering myself to Brady's standards, I haven't killed anyone?

[Rhiannon]

I do understand your feelings Floo - but when I see your posts on this subject I can't help feeling that you are not exactly lowering yourself to his standards, but allowing your feelings to be coarsened by his actions.

It doesn't feel healthy to me.

Much better just to let it lie - pay it no heed. (Although as I said before I'm sure the press will do their best to rub salt in the wounds of the families affected)

Yes, this is what I feel. There are procedures on place that will be adhered to.

It's worth bearing in mind that Brady loved attention and no doubt he anticipated it would come after his death. There are other nutcase out there who will find his notoriety attractive. The only people hurt by the attention now will be the families of the bereaved.

[Aruntraveller]

How am I lowering myself to Brady's standards, I haven't killed anyone?

As I didn't say that I can't answer your question.

[floo]

Whatever.

[Aruntraveller]

Whatever.

Yeah. Right. Don't engage with the point made, put up a straw man instead.

I was very careful with my wording - I said you were

allowing your feelings to be coarsened by his actions.

[Robbie]

I do understand your feelings Floo - but when I see your posts on this subject I can't help feeling that you are not exactly lowering yourself to his standards, but allowing your feelings to be coarsened by his actions.

It doesn't feel healthy to me.

Much better just to let it lie - pay it no heed. (Although as I said before I'm sure the press will do their best to rub salt in the wounds of the families affected)

I agree with you and Rhiannon Trentboyaer.
He's not worth getting worked up about it all now he's gone & the possibility of his ashes being scattered on Saddleworth is remote.They'll just be dumped somewhere and no-one will know anything about it. End of.

& floo Trent didn't suggest you'd killed anyone, he said:- " --I can't help feeling that you are not exactly lowering yourself to his standards, but allowing your feelings to be coarsened by his actions.

That can happen so easily.
When we look back in history (& i know you wouldn't do any of this) people used to clamour to attend public hangings in this country and even now you get crowds of people outside courts wanting to shout and bang on the van that holds a dangerous prisoner. It isn't healthy.

PS I see Trent has posted.

[floo]

Surely anyone in their right mind would feel revolted by the actions of Brady and say so.

[Aruntraveller]

Surely anyone in their right mind would feel revolted by the actions of Brady and say so.

Yes and no.

People express themselves differently and at different times.

What I am saying though is the almost prurient display of interest by you and the press, for example, does not give any help to the families involved. The expressions of faux outrage make you feel better. Nobody else.

[floo]

Yes and no.

People express themselves differently and at different times.

What I am saying though is the almost prurient display of interest by you and the press, for example, does not give any help to the families involved. The expressions of faux outrage make you feel better. Nobody else.

I wouldn't call my interest prurient. I didn't even start this thread.

[Aruntraveller]

I wouldn't call my interest prurient. I didn't even start this thread.

That's why I said 'almost prurient'

Ok you didn't start this thread, this is relevant how?