Just seen about the Manchester terrorist ? explosion .... 19 dead

[Nearly Sane]

I think it's more events that are ancillary to others that are getting cancelled

[floo]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40069959

The terror level has been reduced from critical to severe.

[Sriram]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40069959

The terror level has been reduced from critical to severe.

When it is 'mild' the risk is highest, unfortunately! 

[floo]

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/police-probe-car-boot-trader-13108128

This made me feel sick!

[jeremyp]

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/police-probe-car-boot-trader-13108128

This made me feel sick!

Unbelievable. How does he think Nazi regalia is retaliation?

[Robbie]

The sort of person you'd be embarrassed to have as a dad.

[The Accountant, OBE, KC]

Manchester Arena blast: 19 dead and about 50 hurt
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-40007886

Lots of children there, dreadful.

Some people are very sick and warped, to do this.

I was gutted when I heard about this on the radio. I could not believe this could have happened in the UK at a concert with so many kids present.
   

[Rhiannon]

I was gutted when I heard about this on the radio. I could not believe this could have happened in the UK at a concert with so many kids present.
   

I'm gutted too, but as much as I wish I couldn't believe it, I think many of us thought it was just a matter of time before something like this happened. The whole situation is unbelievably sad.

[trippymonkey]

ALL non-Muslims are the Kuffar or ungrateful &, if they refuse to 'con'vert then they are worthy of death.
Is so obvious IS don't see any distinction between ages here.

N

[The Accountant, OBE, KC]

Despite me repeatedly asking, you still haven't stated on this forum the author of the  translation of the Quran you are using to come up with these conclusions. You seem to be getting your extremist  interpretations from IS, who have limited support - mostly from violent individuals who are alienated from mainstream Muslim society.  I personally don't know any Muslims who think Islam requires them to hold the views you repeat on here.

It sounds no different to the religious contradictory rantings of this deranged white supremacist who stabbed and killed individuals who intervened when he was abusing a Muslim woman on a train:

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2017/05/who_is_jeremy_christian_facebo.html

In February 2016, Christian wrote, "Just to clarify a few things: 'I Hereby Solemnly swear to Die trying to Kill Hillary (Herself a filthy Murderess) Clinton and Donald Trump should they be elected to the post of President in my faire country on Vinland. This I swear to Odin, Kali, Bastet and all other Pagan Gods and Goddesses in my Aryan Theosophical Nucleus. This is my duty as a Viking and Patriot. In Jesus name....I Feel The Bern!!!!"

In late January, however, Christian wrote, "If Donald Trump is the Next Hitler then I am joining his SS to put an end to Monotheist Question. All Zionist Jews, All Christians who do not follow Christ's teaching of Love, Charity, and Forgiveness And All Jihadi Muslims are going to Madagascar or the Ovens/FEMA Camps!!! Does this make me a fascist!!!"

[The Accountant, OBE, KC]

I'm gutted too, but as much as I wish I couldn't believe it, I think many of us thought it was just a matter of time before something like this happened. The whole situation is unbelievably sad.

Yes.

There is also the issue of how to monitor all the individuals who continue to pose a risk, given the limited resources of the security services.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-32026985

[wigginhall]

Strange stories about MI5 helping Libyan radicals to go to Libya to fight against Gaddafi, then come back, then go back, and so on.   I don't know if this will ever be really made explicit, but it sounds like the muhajeddin in Afghan, who supposedly turned into Al Qaeda, armed by the US. 

[Udayana]

The whole "Arab spring" was mishandled by Obama and the West generally, probably due to reluctance to engage following the chaos after the invasion of Iraq, Afghanistan ...

You can't expect mobs that pull down dictators to establish liberal democracies without a lot of help and support.  Those disillusioned by the revolution turn to more extreme actions. In any case, did we even want them to succeed? They also removed our means of control.

You can see the same kind of anarchy has now taken hold in the Yemen with our full backing?

[Nearly Sane]

The whole "Arab spring" was mishandled by Obama and the West generally, probably due to reluctance to engage following the chaos after the invasion of Iraq, Afghanistan ...

You can't expect mobs that pull down dictators to establish liberal democracies without a lot of help and support.  Those disillusioned by the revolution turn to more extreme actions. In any case, did we even want them to succeed? They also removed our means of control.

You can see the same kind of anarchy has now taken hold in the Yemen with our full backing?

Or Libya where we might have allowed loons to travel too and come back and blow up children

[floo]

It should be made clear to all those going abroad to be radicalised that they will not be permitted to re-enter the UK, even if they are British by birth.

[wigginhall]

That sounds like stable doors, horses bolting, etc.

[trippymonkey]

I don't need one translation of The Quran to say who Islam says the Kuffar are. It's also where racist South Africans say kaffer meaning godless heathen, is from. Not ALL SFs though,of course.

BTW I don't believe a word IS says even though they DO seem to acting much as 'your' founder did in the early years of Islam's invention.

What you call 'mainstream Muslim society' co-exists within many societies DESPITE Islam's orders not because of them.

[Nearly Sane]

I don't need one translation of The Quran to say who Islam says the Kuffar are. It's also where racist South Africans say kaffer meaning godless heathen, is from. Not ALL SFs though,of course.

BTW I don't believe a word IS says even though they DO seem to acting much as 'your' founder did in the early years of Islam's invention.

What you call 'mainstream Muslim society' co-exists within many societies DESPITE Islam's orders not because of them.

Why didn't you answer the question?

[trippymonkey]

And what was that then? Ignoring MY points & desperately clinging on to G's question which has little or no relevance to my point.

ALL we non-Muslims are the Kuffar or ungrateful!! FACT!!
If you did a bit of homework yourself instead of ignoring my points, you'll learn a lot & be less inclined to cuddle up with the 'enemy'. Not ALL Muslims BTW.

[Nearly Sane]

And what was that then? Ignoring MY points & desperately clinging on to G's question which has little or no relevance to my point.

ALL we non-Muslims are the Kuffar or ungrateful!! FACT!!
If you did a bit of homework yourself instead of ignoring my points, you'll learn a lot & be less inclined to cuddle up with the 'enemy'. Not ALL Muslims BTW.

The question that Gabriella has asked repeatedly about which translation.


You do know that capitalisation and exclamation marks aren't arguments, don't you?

And random assertion isn't either.