Etiquette for non muslims

[The Accountant, OBE, KC]

You do know that becoming a martyr isn't an idea that is exclusive to religion? The idea of martyrdom has been part of philosophy, politics and patriotism. Lots of people can be willing to die or kill for a principle or cause, especially when they think their own survival or the survival of their group depends on it. It's up to societies to have rules in place to control this. But IS are outside mainstream society and laws - they make their own laws.

[Robbie]

R Again Exactly
When you have a religion so vague that to give one's life to a cause can mean blowing up 'innocents', what can you do?

What Gabriella said and I don't see Ramadan as contributing to blowing up anyone, Ramadan doens't affect non-Muslims.

[trippymonkey]

G
'' It's up to societies to have rules in place to control this. But IS are outside mainstream society and laws - they make their own laws.''

Based on what, may I ask?

[Udayana]

Collective mental illness.

[trippymonkey]

Collective mental illness.

OH STOP IT NOW !!! Bad Lad.

[Sriram]

I read somewhere that some muslims have asked for a ban on bikinis during Ramadan on some beaches. I don't know how far that is true though!

Are the local women likely to oblige, I wonder? 

[Robbie]

No & I doubt it is true,certainly in this country no-one would ban bikinis.
Now nankinis are a different matter, they're an offence against good taste!

[Shaker]

Nankinis?

Are they the ones for pensioners?

[Dajjal]

I read somewhere that some muslims have asked for a ban on bikinis during Ramadan on some beaches. I don't know how far that is true though!

Are the local women likely to oblige, I wonder? 

To hell with Muslims and their delusions. I am all for telling them they have no business to condemn our way of life, and their so called prophet was a lying bandit.

[Nearly Sane]

To hell with Muslims and their delusions. I am all for telling them they have no business to condemn our way of life, and their so called prophet was a lying bandit.

Why would people have no business on expressing their views in a democracy?

[Sriram]

Why would people have no business on expressing their views in a democracy?

I thought that was fairly clear!  This is not about anyone expressing their views. It is about expecting others to change their lifestyle, in their own country.

[Dajjal]

Why would people have no business on expressing their views in a democracy?

Many Muslims don't want a democracy, they want Sharia law.

[Nearly Sane]

Many Muslims don't want a democracy, they want Sharia law.

And while I disagree with that part of a democracy allows people to argue against it. So again why would peopke have no business expressing their opinion in a democracy?

[Dajjal]

And while I disagree with that part of a democracy allows people to argue against it. So again why would peopke have no business expressing their opinion in a democracy?

There are Muslims that run around with placards in London saying things like. "behead those who insult Muhammad"
They want to ban Christmas and Easter, and all kinds of things like that, and impose their rules on us.
They don't simply express opinions they are actively trying to undermine our democratic way of life
All I am saying is that if they can say these things, we can tell them what we think of their crap.

[Nearly Sane]

Abio

There are Muslims that run around with placards in London saying things like. "behead those who insult Muhammad"
They want to ban Christmas and Easter, and all kinds of things like that, and impose their rules on us.
They don't simply express opinions they are actively trying to undermine our democratic way of life
All I am saying is that if they can say these things, we can tell them what we think of their crap.

absolutely you can tell them what you think of their crap, I haven't said you shouldn't. However what you did say was they had no business saying that in a democracy. My question was why nor?

[Dajjal]

Abio
absolutely you can tell them what you think of their crap, I haven't said you shouldn't. However what you did say was they had no business saying that in a democracy. My question was why nor?

Well it wasn't about them expressing an opinion, it was about them asking for a ban on women  wearing bikinis during Ramadhan.
That's an active attempt to interfere with our way of life, and impose their dismal rules on us.

[Nearly Sane]

Well it wasn't about them expressing an opinion, it was about them asking for a ban on women  wearing bikinis during Ramadhan.
That's an active attempt to interfere with our way of life, and impose their dismal rules on us.

How is asking for a ban, if some people actually did, not expressing an opinion more than say someone asking for a handgun ban in the US? Or in my case a ban on Orange Walks outside my door?

[Dajjal]

How is asking for a ban, if some people actually did, not expressing an opinion more than say someone asking for a handgun ban in the US? Or in my case a ban on Orange Walks outside my door?

Because its their religious bigotry that makes them want to tell our women what they can wear. Muslim women may like to drape themselves from head to foot in black, but why should we respect that, and why should they get away with trying to impose rules of dress on us. We have our own long traditions of fashion, and we have not covered our women from head to foot since Victorian times.

In our democracy they might have the right to criticize our ways, but we do not have to take any notice, let alone comply.

I go with the Queen, who said of Muslim extremists, in one of her Christmas speeches. "You will not change our way of life"

[Nearly Sane]

Because its their religious bigotry that makes them want to tell our women what they can wear. Muslim women may like to drape themselves from head to foot in black, but why should we respect that, and why should they get away with trying to impose rules of dress on us. We have our own long traditions of fashion, and we have not covered our women from head to foot since Victorian times.

In our democracy they might have the right to criticize our ways, but we do not have to take any notice, let alone comply.

I go with the Queen, who said of Muslim extremists, in one of her Christmas speeches. "You will not change our way of life"

Thete's a long tradition of Orange Walks outside my door, why I am wrong to express my objection?

[Dajjal]

Thete's a long tradition of Orange Walks outside my door, why I am wrong to express my objection?

I don't remember saying you were wrong to object.

[Nearly Sane]

I don't remember saying you were wrong to object.

So ergo some Muslims are not wrong to object to things.

[The Accountant, OBE, KC]

G
'' It's up to societies to have rules in place to control this. But IS are outside mainstream society and laws - they make their own laws.''

Based on what, may I ask?

Based on brainwashing by charismatic individuals who offer simplistic slogans and solutions to those with a violent, black and white mentality.

No I am not talking about successive US governments and their version of Patriotism or National Interest that resulted in individuals being elected or appointed who helped orchestrate coups, civil wars or dropped bombs on people abroad (collateral damage); I am in fact talking about the ideological solutions that IS call Islam whereby IS claim any Muslim who does not follow their ideology is a traitor and deserves to be killed.

[Dajjal]

So ergo some Muslims are not wrong to object to things.

They can object to whatever they like, but it does not end there. They try to take control of us. For example practically the first thing the Mayor of London did when he got into power was to censor advertisements on the tube stations. He stopped them showing scantily clad women. What Muslims really want is to rule us, and impose sharia law.

[Nearly Sane]

They can object to whatever they like, but it does not end there. They try to take control of us. For example practically the first thing the Mayor of London did when he got into power was to censor advertisements on the tube stations. He stopped them showing scantily clad women. What Muslims really want is to rule us, and impose sharia law.

As a regular traveller on the LU why are you talking pish? Here is the actual story.


http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/sadiq-khan-there-will-be-no-more-body-shaming-adverts-on-the-tube-a3269951.html

Read it and then say this was just Khan imposing Sharia law!

[Robbie]

Very  well  said  NS.

Couldn't believe what Dajjal said about the Mayor, LU adverts and sharia. That's the sort of stuff we get from the likes of the EDL.
I knew it wasn't true, Sadiq Khan is a Londoner with two Londoner teenage kids.

Honestly  .