Protestantism

[Rhiannon]

Not worshipping creation, rather creation joins in our worship of the creator.

That isn't 'pointing to' that you've claimed there. You say that creation joins you in your worship.

How? Pointing to symbolism isn't a form of worship. So what does creation do when it joins you?

[Shaker]

No. It points to creatore because the creator made it that way: the seasons, the rising sun which is an icon of the risen Christ etc.

Axial tilt is actually the reason for those 

[ad_orientem]

It sounds very beautiful ad_o & i can see how attractive it is but it;s not necessary for salvation, i dont think any Christian group believes that.

You have committed to the Orthodox church,well and good, but there's nothing wrong with other ways of expressing the Christian faith (except for people who don't believe in it at all& would say it's all bunkum but i'm not addressing them).

I'm very much of the opinion that how we pray affects our belief and vice versa. Lex orandi lex credendi, or in English, the law of prayer is the law of belief. Therefore if you omit something it probably means you don't believe it.

[bluehillside Retd.]

ad,

I'm saying that God works through his creation and that creation points to its creator.

Doesn't that seem just a tad circular to you?

Only asking.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

ad,

Doesn't that seem just a tad circular to you?

Only asking.

Any more than say ''Hillsides works through his forum posts'' and those posts point to Hillside?

[Sassy]

Eh? You're talking gobbledegook again.

It is a Christ thing...if you don't know him, you can't understand what he teaches.
You have to find him before you can understand.

[ad_orientem]

It is a Christ thing...if you don't know him, you can't understand what he teaches.
You have to find him before you can understand.

Lol! You really are deluded, but then all heretics are.

[floo]

Lol! You really are deluded, but then all heretics are.

You are no different to Sass, your assertions about faith have no more evidence to support them than hers!

[ippy]

You are no different to Sass, your assertions about faith have no more evidence to support them than hers!

I thought much the same as you Floo, when I read those last few soppy posts, talk about kettle and black.

Floo, how do you spell superiority complex? I'm not referring to you Floo.

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[Robbie]

Lol! You really are deluded, but then all heretics are.

Might help if you said a bit more, your short retorts come over as arrogant. Not saying you're arrogant but your posts are.

[ad_orientem]

Firstly she's some sort of Arian, therefore she knows nothing of Christ.

[Shaker]

Yep, that's the arrogance previously referred to.

[ad_orientem]

Yep, that's the arrogance previously referred to.

Really? I would have thought it was obvious that she knows nothing of him if she doesn't even know who he is in the first place. She quite obviously believes in some other "Christ".

[Shaker]

Really?

Yes, really.

I would have thougjt it was obvious that she knows nothung of him if she doesn't even know who he is. She obviously believes in some other "Christ".

I would have thought it obvious that she merely has a different set of beliefs about equally unevidenced and preposterous things.

I'd have thought it even more obvious that you of all people would be more than familiar with that phenomenon.

[floo]

Really? I would have thought it was obvious that she knows nothing of him if she doesn't even know who he is in the first place. She quite obviously believes in some other "Christ".

You know it all of course, Hmmmmmmmmmmm!

[Sassy]

Lol! You really are deluded, but then all heretics are.

To the East and in your case North, South and West because all your beliefs never came from the truth Christ taught.

[Sassy]

Really? I would have thought it was obvious that she knows nothing of him if she doesn't even know who he is in the first place. She quite obviously believes in some other "Christ".

I believe in ONLY thee Christ.


Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
God gave Christ, not God became Christ.

I believe Jesus came in the flesh...

King James Bible
Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

Who do you say came in the flesh?

Seems you already know you are wrong.

[Robbie]

Firstly she's some sort of Arian, therefore she knows nothing of Christ.

Your posts are hardly going to help her, they are soooo cold, dismissive and unfriendly even to fellow Christians never mind floo.

[ad_orientem]

I believe in ONLY thee Christ.


Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
God gave Christ, not God became Christ.

I believe Jesus came in the flesh...

King James Bible
Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

Who do you say came in the flesh?

Seems you already know you are wrong.

See? You're some sort of Arian. You do not have faith of the Apostles.

[floo]

I have said it before, but will say it again. If Jesus had been a decent sort of guy, I think he would be horrified by some so called 'Christians', including a few on this forum, who drag the faith through the sewer with their unpleasantness. Far from making the faith appear attractive to non believers, it is just the opposite.

[Anchorman]

Firstly she's some sort of Arian, therefore she knows nothing of Christ.

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Wee question, ad_o;
If someone has an experience of Christ in their lives, transforming them from within, and changing their direction;
If they exhibit all the fruits of the Spirit (as per Galatians):
If others are similarly transformed through their message, making them similarly devoted, committed servants of God inChrist, are they also 'heretic' - and, if they are, does it matter?
It might matter to some twit with a dog collar, but not, it seems, to God.

[ad_orientem]

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Wee question, ad_o;
If someone has an experience of Christ in their lives, transforming them from within, and changing their direction;
If they exhibit all the fruits of the Spirit (as per Galatians):
If others are similarly transformed through their message, making them similarly devoted, committed servants of God inChrist, are they also 'heretic' - and, if they are, does it matter?
It might matter to some twit with a dog collar, but not, it seems, to God.

They are not "in Christ" for they believe in some other Christ, not the Christ we believe in who is our Lord and God.

[floo]

They are not "in Christ" for they believe in some other Christ, not the Christ we believe in who is our Lord and God.

You have your own imaginery version of Jesus, which does it for you. I wonder what the real Jesus had actually been like? I suspect he may have been nothing like the character depicted in the Bible.

[Anchorman]

They are not "in Christ" for they believe in some other Christ, not the Christ we believe in who is our Lord and God.

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Have you read the Gospel, ad-o?
I'll let you look for yourself without quoting chapter and verse.
However, here are a few pointers to get you started.
1. The bit where Jesus tells His followers that there are 'other flocks' - in other words, not part of the Galilee set.
2. The bit where Jesus went out of His way to work with those the religious teachers thought were 'heretic'.
3. When the disciples complained to Jesus that others were doing stuff in His name, what did He say?

Let me envisage a scene.
The Pearly Gates.
A chap comes along and he's let in.
Can you imagine St Wogburger the flatulent grabbing Christ by the collar and saying -
"Hang on; that guy hasn't went through the ritual, had insence stuck up his nose, been half drowned in oil an even worse, he can't be bothered with liturgy stuff! Why should You let him in here?"
"Well", I can hear Christ saying, "I love Him - and Martin Luther King's a good guy who loved Me."

[ad_orientem]

The other flocks is refering to the Gentiles as opposed to the Jews. Our Lord quite categorically says that only he is way to salvation. We only know of one sure way, which is through the Church and its sacraments.