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« Reply #75 on: June 05, 2017, 04:22:52 PM »
NS,

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John Oliver's take on the reaction.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6Pyq99Wgqc

Brilliant, esp the chap who went back to pay his bill (plus tip).
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« Reply #76 on: June 05, 2017, 05:20:22 PM »



Have any  of you heard of the Islam road show in the UK?

http://www.israelvideonetwork.com/british-muslims-reveal-their-plan-for-the-uk-in-plain-english-for-the-world-to-see/

I am not trying to spread any muslim hatred here but the video is interesting nonetheless.

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« Reply #77 on: June 05, 2017, 06:01:04 PM »
Yes a couple of yeaars back sririam though not seen it myself. Unusual stuff, reminded me of street corner preachers and rallies that Christian groups used to put on in busy parts of towns, with noisy loudhailers and singing,don't come across that now.

As you say, interesting. Could do without the loud background music!
Here's an article- http://lovingdalston.co.uk/2015/03/dont-vote-islams-women-of-sharia-tell-dalston/

There;s quite a lot including youtube clips about telling Muslims they should not vote. Ha, wonder what they think of the Muslim London Mayor. for whom the people voted. Probably consider him an infidel.

Anyway nowt to do with London Bridge atrocities.
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« Reply #78 on: June 05, 2017, 06:49:35 PM »


I think ippy is probably referring to the irony of a burka clad woman in Britain  talking of integration.

Quite Sriram, another comment could be, an own goal.

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« Reply #79 on: June 05, 2017, 07:08:40 PM »
I get it now.
Coincidentally I went to pharmacy today and was served by a young woman in burqa. Her niqab was pushed back of course. Usually I don't notice -may even have seen her before - but because of this thread today I did notice and thought of you. Of course I didn't ask her if she wanted to be integrated butthe thought flashed through my mind before she served me. She was chatting to customers and asking the pharmacist questions,quite relaxed so my conclusion was that she is integrated in society & i stopped noticing her attire.
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« Reply #80 on: June 05, 2017, 07:20:06 PM »
Integration has nothing to do with what people wear - are goths integrated? what about people in tweeds and cords? It is about attitude, a willingness to get along and acceptance of difference.

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« Reply #81 on: June 05, 2017, 07:22:43 PM »
Exactly.
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« Reply #82 on: June 05, 2017, 07:34:48 PM »
I see Trump is dissing Sadiq Khan again about the bombings. With no foundatoion. Not a time for doing that sort of thing I'd have thought.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jun/05/donald-trump-attack-courts-travel-ban-london
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« Reply #83 on: June 05, 2017, 07:41:44 PM »
No didn't see it, good for her but it doesn't seem that long ago to me,ippy, when Muslims did seem fairly integrated in our society, no-one took much notice of their religion (or anyone else's). Now every Muslim is viewed with suspicion by some people. Must be awful for them.
I wish flipping ISIS could be quashed once anf for all, i know that's too simplistic but I'm tired & feeling pretty useless about all this.
Night all, sleep well.

Yes Rob, good for her calling for more integration, but for a bit of an elephantine error there, she was wearing a cloth bag bag with only enough of a cut away so that she could see where she was going, (a burka), it looked like a really good example of how to get on like a storm with the indigenous people here in the U K a western country, I don't think.

I have two adopted mixed race sons, I'm more a realist than a racist Rob.

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« Reply #84 on: June 05, 2017, 08:01:54 PM »
Integration has nothing to do with what people wear - are goths integrated? what about people in tweeds and cords? It is about attitude, a willingness to get along and acceptance of difference.

Yes, some people seem to use it to mean conformity or sameness.  That's not integration, in my book.   
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« Reply #85 on: June 05, 2017, 08:43:13 PM »
Yes, some p

The law courts require to see the faces of anyone addressing the court, why do you think that is Wiggi?

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« Reply #86 on: June 05, 2017, 08:46:42 PM »
So they can see who it is.   And?
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« Reply #87 on: June 05, 2017, 08:58:25 PM »
My point is that there is not moral equivalence between directly targeting civilians and accidentally killing civilians.

I don't think it is a controversial point, I'm not claiming dropping bombs is a morally good thing to do.
I disagree with your opinion. If deliberately dropping the bombs cause the death of civilians - as in 'but for' the dropping of the bombs the civilians would be alive - in criminal law you can't class the deaths of civilians as accidental.

So for example, when the Saudis bomb hospitals in Yemen, supported by British military personnel helping them identify targets, supplying weapons etc - the civilian deaths tend to cause outrage, especially amongst relatives of the dead, and can lead to people becoming radicalised and seeking revenge by bombing civilians in the UK. That is not a controversial point - violence leads to violence.

I am equally outraged by both sets of bombings. Children are blown to pieces and suffer shrapnel wounds in both sets of bombing. The children and their relatives presumably don't feel better about being blown up simply because the people sharing responsibility for the shredding of their limbs and heads were wearing British army uniform at the time and 'cocked up'. The cock-up was reasonably forseeable, given it has happened a few times now - so morally they should stop helping the Saudis. If they continue helping the Saudis, they can't shrug the deaths off as an accident - morally it might as well be deliberate.
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« Reply #88 on: June 05, 2017, 09:00:45 PM »
They're all as bad as each other !!!

If we can't 'target' properly with the equipment we have & these effing cowards out there stop using 'innocents' as collateral ....????

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« Reply #89 on: June 05, 2017, 11:29:26 PM »
One attacker named -https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jun/05/london-bridge-attacker-named-as-khuram-butt

Young chap not well educated or well off, radicalised, outcast from his own community. Left behind two little kids.
Whoever pulled his strings no doubt still lives - and doesn't care a fig.
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« Reply #90 on: June 06, 2017, 01:07:10 AM »
If by "they", you mean Muslims I don't agree, most Muslims in this country are compassionate people who follow a compassionate Islam.

Isis, who is encouraging this sort of attack view compassionate Muslims as apostates, and the punishment for apostasy in their eyes is punishable by death.

It's called Takfari.

So supporters of Isis don't care about what happens to Muslims in the UK.

Isis believes the end of the world is just round the corner and now is the time to show they are on Gods side by committing what to us and the vast majority of Muslims,  is an atrocity.

They are complete fanatics who believe they are they only sort of "real " Muslims.

Any other sort of caring Muslim is only worthy of death.

They delight in metering out punishments like beheading, burning to death, torture, killing other Muslims who they don't recognise.

They believe it is justifiable because they are part of some prediction in the Quran, which allows them to do this.

So they do, this in their eyes, justifies them as holding a this special apocalyptic position.

They also believe in slavery and sexual slavery.

It's actually quite horrible, and not to be confused with your average compassionate follower of Islam.

To do what you suggest, Sassy, would play right into their sense of destiny.

They want Armageddon.

To fight these terrorists we need to treat ordinary Muslims decently and not blame them for an ideology which isn't theirs.

We certainly shouldn't be prejudiced.

Stereotypes are what Isis do.

Let's not do that, it's what they want us to do.
Stereotype innocent Muslims, so we appear to be the oppressors.

This fulfills their sense of destiny.

It's a horrible cult, that enjoys committing atrocities in the name of Islam.
So all MUSLIMS BELONG TO ISIS.

Truth is no one is interested in the false support or the brown nosing...
The fact is that MUSLIMS are committing these evil happenings.
The fact is they do not belong here in the first place.
The fact is that when someone is suspected or related to a person who kills others, they have to be remove with their families.
Had they removed these suspects when first suspected it could not have happened.
No one is saying BLAME ALL MUSLIMS but wake up because if Muslims take over then you have seen what happens in Muslim Countries.
You will see homosexuals, disobedient children, unwanted wives and many others murdererd and stoned in the streets.
Including you if you do not convert.

Not blaming every Muslim but those known to be part of any terrorist group have to be deported.
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« Reply #91 on: June 06, 2017, 07:50:07 AM »
I think Sriram is just generalising upon how you cannot assume that a particular background or personality type when trying to pre-detect a potential killer.  This article gives quite a good outline of the problem. .... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_terrorism


That is right ekim. Thanks.   Out of the 12 arrested about five are women I think, old and young.


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« Reply #92 on: June 06, 2017, 07:51:18 AM »
So all MUSLIMS BELONG TO ISIS.

Truth is no one is interested in the false support or the brown nosing...
The fact is that MUSLIMS are committing these evil happenings.
The fact is they do not belong here in the first place.
The fact is that when someone is suspected or related to a person who kills others, they have to be remove with their families.
Had they removed these suspects when first suspected it could not have happened.
No one is saying BLAME ALL MUSLIMS but wake up because if Muslims take over then you have seen what happens in Muslim Countries.
You will see homosexuals, disobedient children, unwanted wives and many others murdererd and stoned in the streets.
Including you if you do not convert.

Not blaming every Muslim but those known to be part of any terrorist group have to be deported.

No ALL Muslims don't belong to Isis.

Yes they DO belong here, a lot of Muslims were born here and hold a British passport.

They are British.

My only concession to your argument is that asylum seekers who stir up trouble or break the law in the uk should be sent home, regardless if it puts their life in danger.

But this would apply to Christians and other groups as well.

Just because someone has a different coloured skin, doesn't mean they don't belong here.

Also how are you going to deal with home grown white Muslims who have become radicalised?

It happens.

Where are you going to deport them to? Or are the rules different for them because their skin is white?

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Re: London Bridge Atrocity
« Reply #93 on: June 06, 2017, 08:24:00 AM »



I wonder if it is a Death Wish of some kind among European nations, born of their colonial past, that is responsible for this disregard for their own safety and welfare.   :-\

Show some anger folks!

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« Reply #94 on: June 06, 2017, 08:46:32 AM »


I wonder if it is a Death Wish of some kind among European nations, born of their colonial past, that is responsible for this disregard for their own safety and welfare.   :-\

Show some anger folks!

What do you think is the disregard that is being shown?

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« Reply #95 on: June 06, 2017, 09:27:57 AM »
People are angry sririam. I've read several interviews with survivors who describe the disbelief, the terror and horror, things they can't 'unsee'.
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« Reply #96 on: June 06, 2017, 09:29:31 AM »
Sriram seems to be confusing anger with hate.

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« Reply #97 on: June 06, 2017, 09:39:13 AM »
Yes. There's enough hate going around already & achieves nothing, makes things worse.
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« Reply #98 on: June 06, 2017, 09:42:32 AM »
"Hatred does not cease through hatred at any time. Hatred ceases through love. This is an unalterable law." - the Buddha.

Seems fair enough to me.
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« Reply #99 on: June 06, 2017, 09:45:20 AM »
"Hatred does not cease through hatred at any time. Hatred ceases through love. This is an unalterable law." - the Buddha.

Seems fair enough to me.

This is the thing. We are hated passionately. The only way to fight it is to love with just as much passion.