London Bridge Atrocity

[Rhiannon]

Shortly after she was on The Apprentice she produced a short op ed tv piece that was outstandingly good on these issues.

[Nearly Sane]

I have just come across this.

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/showbiz-tv/loose-women-star-saira-khans-13150730

It seems like a good plan to me.

1.Stop sectarian schools. Hurrah, agree. There is an odd issue about non state schools and how you balance freedom and state interests but hey, thank Dawkins this is not a lonely position. Some of us in sectarian schools when people of the sect and its alternate sect were setting bombs and shooting at each other have been calling for this for 40 years.


2. Headscarves. Not keen on the state telling kids can't be covered up. But not a big issue - to me.


3. Mosques - one per city? Really? One in Glasgow? See this reads like the restrictions on RCs in the west of Scotland in the 1880s. If you do this you deny democracy and privilege other religions.


4. Imams - all British born? So the parish priest that I knew should have been stopped? The entirety of the evangelism of the Empire is now being said to not be British? Why does an imam have to be born here, as opposed to a rabbi or a doctor or a metal fusion engineer?


5. Ofsted - an educational reviewer of dubious ability should report on something outside its remit and only on one religion ?


6. remove all community leaders - even if they are elected? Seems an odd way to argue for democracy. Now if it was seek to open up what is seen as representative, 100%, but that wasn't point made.

7. Deport known terrorists to homeland. We do this generally unless the homeland takes actions such as torture that we both don't agree with and are signed up to. Should we send someone back to SA to be beheaded or whipped because they are a Christian terrorist?

8. Release suspected terrorist pictures - not sure what this means. If it is people suspected of acts, we already to this. If they are just suspected of being likely to be bad, then no! Easy gain to give a dictatorship power.

9. Ban segregation - mmm so no women's exercise classes anywhere? Not sure how any law works here

10. Expose - agree other than apparently racism and homophobia was a 'new thing' . If people, cultures, religions wish to impose non legal beliefs on people than we need ways of that being flagged.

[Sassy]

No ALL Muslims don't belong to Isis.

Yes they DO belong here, a lot of Muslims were born here and hold a British passport.

They are British.

The bomber from Manchester came over as refugees with his Parents.
Not British at all. So not all Muslims here are British.

My only concession to your argument is that asylum seekers who stir up trouble or break the law in the uk should be sent home, regardless if it puts their life in danger.

But this would apply to Christians and other groups as well.

All foreigners and you using religion shows that you have a bias. Anyone who comes here who causes problems should be sent home wherever they are from regardless of religion, colour or creed. So to speak.

Just because someone has a different coloured skin, doesn't mean they don't belong here.

Also how are you going to deal with home grown white Muslims who have become radicalised?

I NEVER AT ANY POINT MADE IT ABOUT COLOUR OF SKIN SO DON'T EVER MAKE IT SOMETHING IT WAS NOT.

It happens.

Where are you going to deport them to? Or are the rules different for them because their skin is white?

Seems you have a problem, I don't.  My nieces partner is from Latvia and he will tell you I am NOT A RACISTS AND I TOTALLY RESENT YOUR FALSE INUENDOS.

[Sassy]

Integration has nothing to do with what people wear - are goths integrated? what about people in tweeds and cords? It is about attitude, a willingness to get along and acceptance of difference.

It isn;t about the type of material everyone would be naked but for clothes.
But given the fact you can hide anything under a burqa and men can dress and not be detected in one and carry a bomb under them then you cannot compare to Goths, tweeds or even cords for you can't hide a bomb in the them.

[Nearly Sane]

It isn;t about the type of material everyone would be naked but for clothes.
But given the fact you can hide anything under a burqa and men can dress and not be detected in one and carry a bomb under them then you cannot compare to Goths, tweeds or even cords for you can't hide a bomb in the them.

so kilts are out? Because I could easily hide a bomb in a kilt.

[Robbie]

It isn;t about the type of material everyone would be naked but for clothes.
But given the fact you can hide anything under a burqa and men can dress and not be detected in one and carry a bomb under them then you cannot compare to Goths, tweeds or even cords for you can't hide a bomb in the them.

Oh yes you can. An incendiary device can be very small indeed. A suicide bomber can have their body wired up.
Have any bombers been men wearing burqas? Or those who drove into pedestrians or knifed people?

The man who knifed and shot Jo Cox was neither a foreigner or a Muslim.

[floo]

Oh yes you can. An incendiary device can be very small indeed. A suicide bomber can have their body wired up.
Have any bombers been men wearing burqas? Or those who drove into pedestrians or knifed people?

The man who knifed and shot Jo Cox was neither a foreigner or a Muslim.

Good post.

[Sebastian Toe]

It isn;t about the type of material everyone would be naked but for clothes.
But given the fact you can hide anything under a burqa and men can dress and not be detected in one and carry a bomb under them then you cannot compare to Goths, tweeds or even cords for you can't hide a bomb in the them.

Quite right.
These women especially should be banned from going out in public.
Very dangerous clothing.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nun#/media/File%3ACarmelitas_de_la_comunidad_de_Nogoy


 

[Aruntraveller]

CAN I JUST POINT OUT THAT TYPING IN CAPITALS DOES NOT MAKE THIS SENTENCE ANY MORE MEANINGFUL.

[Nearly Sane]

The bomber from Manchester came over as refugees with his Parents.
Not British at all. So not all Muslims here are British.

All foreigners and you using religion shows that you have a bias. Anyone who comes here who causes problems should be sent home wherever they are from regardless of religion, colour or creed. So to speak.
I NEVER AT ANY POINT MADE IT ABOUT COLOUR OF SKIN SO DON'T EVER MAKE IT SOMETHING IT WAS NOT.
Seems you have a problem, I don't.  My nieces partner is from Latvia and he will tell you I am NOT A RACISTS AND I TOTALLY RESENT YOUR FALSE INUENDOS.

The thug was born in Manchester. So factually incorrect. Though your post has necessitated me pointing out to my neighbour who is 48, and was brought here by her parents when she was 3 months, that despite living here for 48 years, having a British passport, paying taxes (and running two small businesses that pay taxes) that she isn't British at all, according to you, not that you are racist.

[Anchorman]

You beat me to it, NS..... Though the chap I had in mind is an American citizen, 63, who has lived here since he was 6 weeks old. Bloomin' immigrants - kick 'em out, the lot of 'em......

[Robbie]

Quite right.
These women especially should be banned from going out in public.
Very dangerous clothing.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nun#/media/File%3ACarmelitas_de_la_comunidad_de_Nogoy


 

Ooh nuns on the run!

[ippy]

Watch and listen to, "Muslim woman asks a question and probably wishes she didn't", on YouTube and make up you're own minds.

ippy

[Nearly Sane]

Watch and listen to, "Muslim woman asks a question and probably wishes she didn't", on YouTube and make up you're own minds.

ippy

Doesn't answer the question and uses a bad analogy

[ippy]

Doesn't answer the question and uses a bad analogy

In your opinion, that's fair enough.

ippy

[Nearly Sane]

In your opinion, that's fair enough.

ippy

Do you think it did answer the question? Or was that religions and countries is a good analogy?


BTW for anyone else here's the link to what ippy raised

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAoXgZLRee0

[Rhiannon]

It isn;t about the type of material everyone would be naked but for clothes.
But given the fact you can hide anything under a burqa and men can dress and not be detected in one and carry a bomb under them then you cannot compare to Goths, tweeds or even cords for you can't hide a bomb in the them.

You are confusing integration with crime/terrorism prevention. Starting from the POV that anyone in a burqa could be hiding a bomb is not only unwarranted, it prevents integration and fuels division and hate.

[Bubbles]

The bomber from Manchester came over as refugees with his Parents.
Not British at all. So not all Muslims here are British.

All foreigners and you using religion shows that you have a bias. Anyone who comes here who causes problems should be sent home wherever they are from regardless of religion, colour or creed. So to speak.
I NEVER AT ANY POINT MADE IT ABOUT COLOUR OF SKIN SO DON'T EVER MAKE IT SOMETHING IT WAS NOT.
Seems you have a problem, I don't.  My nieces partner is from Latvia and he will tell you I am NOT A RACISTS AND I TOTALLY RESENT YOUR FALSE INUENDOS.

No his parents came over, and then he was born here, later.

Latvia? Haha ha

[Sassy]

so kilts are out? Because I could easily hide a bomb in a kilt.

I would love to see you walk normally with a bomb hanging under your kilt.
Let us just say, you would stand out like John Wayne...

[Sassy]

Oh yes you can. An incendiary device can be very small indeed. A suicide bomber can have their body wired up.
Have any bombers been men wearing burqas? Or those who drove into pedestrians or knifed people?

The man who knifed and shot Jo Cox was neither a foreigner or a Muslim.

Really, are we talking home-made or military?
You do realise they don't hand out military weapons to terrorist in this country don't you. That like the Manchester bomb they can be full of objects that inflict damage.  Terrorist do not buy their weapons in England from the Military or the Ministry of Defence. In fact what is available to our armed forces is totally different to that available to terrorist.
 The MOD  I can tell you that everything is top secret even locations for repairs of military defence weapons.
They don't allow terrorist to buy weapons from legitimate  arms dealers.

Anything can be used as a weapon but we were talking about suicide bombers not those who used weapons and cars available anywhere.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/man-disguised-woman-wearing-burqa-kills-14-chad-attack-article-1.2288989


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3102596/Carnage-ISIS-suicide-bomber-dressed-woman-burka-blows-car-outside-mosque-Saudi-Arabia-killing-four.html

Are you Muslim Robinson of are you born of a family who were?

As for Jo Cox was that a red herring which you thought would throw us off the real purpose of the London Bridge Atrocity?
Not everyone killed with a knife or car is a victim of terrorist. Bit mute wasn't it?

[floo]

What gives you the impression Robinson is a Muslim, Sass, and what would it matter if she were one?

[Sassy]

Quite right.
These women especially should be banned from going out in public.
Very dangerous clothing.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nun#/media/File%3ACarmelitas_de_la_comunidad_de_Nogoy


 

Men first...

[Sassy]

CAN I JUST POINT OUT THAT TYPING IN CAPITALS DOES NOT MAKE THIS SENTENCE ANY MORE MEANINGFUL.

No but it. get's the point over and is it noticed..
Thanks for making it clear.. Trent.
That was the point of the CAPITAL LETTERS... LOL

[Shaker]

No but it. get's the point over and is it noticed.

That's not a good thing.

[Sassy]

The thug was born in Manchester. So factually incorrect. Though your post has necessitated me pointing out to my neighbour who is 48, and was brought here by her parents when she was 3 months, that despite living here for 48 years, having a British passport, paying taxes (and running two small businesses that pay taxes) that she isn't British at all, according to you, not that you are racist.

Suicide bomber Salman Abedi is believed to have travelled to Syria and become radicalised before returning to the UK to cause carnage at a gig in the city where he was born.

The son of Libyan parents, who reportedly fled their native country and sought refuge in the UK, he is thought to have come back to Britain from Libya just days before the massacre.

Here's everything we know about the 22-year-old Manchester Arena attacker.

His parents were refugees he may have been  born here but he certainly is not from here.
As I said his parents were refugees and they did not come from here.  We fed them, we housed them and educated the man who then killed our children.

So don't think his birth certificate made him ENGLISH anyone can be British but some of us are actually native of this country.
And it sickens me to think you can defend a person just because you don't like me. You wonder why terrorist exist?
Well it is easy when you can be prejudice towards a person because of religion isn't it.

The bible tells us that Christ compared hatred to murder. Do you think you are doing any good defending someone who killed our children in Manchester? Should be ashamed of yourself. Go tell the parents of the dead you are defending him because of where he was born

Your neighbour is not the same as they did not kill anyone. You can say the same about any foreigners. My sisters in laws are from Poland and Austria been here since the 50's what is it that you have to twist the things said into something NOT BEING SAID. They are not Muslims and not black. You need to apologise to me for falsely accusing me of racism by any means when I was not being racist in anyway.