London Bridge Atrocity

[Nearly Sane]

Good to see you Rose, hoped you weren't going to vanish.
(What's funny about Latvia?Think they won the Eurovision once years ago so s'pose that's funny.)

Guessing that if the idea is you might be a bit prejudiced at the beyond magnolia skin tone, that Latvia is maybe not the most beyond magnolia country.

[Bubbles]

The bomber from Manchester came over as refugees with his Parents.
Not British at all. So not all Muslims here are British.

All foreigners and you using religion shows that you have a bias. Anyone who comes here who causes problems should be sent home wherever they are from regardless of religion, colour or creed. So to speak.
I NEVER AT ANY POINT MADE IT ABOUT COLOUR OF SKIN SO DON'T EVER MAKE IT SOMETHING IT WAS NOT.
Seems you have a problem, I don't.  My nieces partner is from Latvia and he will tell you I am NOT A RACISTS AND I TOTALLY RESENT YOUR FALSE INUENDOS.

Robinson,

it was Sassy's reasoning about her not having a problem with colour of skin, because she knows some Latvians who would take her part.

The only Latvian I know is white with long blond hair, blue eyes etc.

For all we know Latvians could have an issue and be racist.

It proves nothing.

[Bubbles]

Guessing that if the idea is you might be a bit prejudiced at the beyond magnolia skin tone, that Latvia is maybe not the most beyond magnolia country.

 

[Robbie]

  I was actually jesting, guessed that's why you laughed. Latvians can be quite vanilla coloured,wear funny socks boots and cloaks because it's cold out there. (The clothes also hide a multitude of sins of course.)

However I don't believe Sassy's objections to Muslims is about the colour of most of them,it's just the religion & she probably wouldn't care about that if recent terrorist activities hadn't been carried out by extremist Muslims. Let's face it we've had Muslims living here for a long time & no-one ever gave a fig!

Wish it was like that now  .

[ippy]

Do you think it did answer the question? Or was that religions and countries is a good analogy?


BTW for anyone else here's the link to what ippy raised

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAoXgZLRee0

N S, have a look into Douglas Murry's take on the same subject, I'll go with most of his viewpoint overall he sums it up in a nutshell and I'll assume if you look hard enough anyone can find something of his to pick at.

I'd sooner go along with the large body of his viewpoint on this subject than anything else I've see here on this thread.

Their's loads of Douglas Murry's contributions on YouTube.

ippy

[Nearly Sane]

N S, have a look into Douglas Murry's take on the same subject, I'll go with most of his viewpoint overall he sums it up in a nutshell and I'll assume if you look hard enough anyone can find something of his to pick at.

I'd sooner go along with the large body of his viewpoint on this subject than anything else I've see here on this thread.

Their's loads of Douglas Murry's contributions on YouTube.

ippy

I'm uninterested in arguing with Douglas and then you commenting. If you think he makes good points, pick some of them and put them forward for discussion.

[Bubbles]

I was actually jesting, guessed that's why you laughed. Latvians can be quite vanilla coloured,wear funny socks boots and cloaks because it's cold out there. (The clothes also hide a multitude of sins of course.)

However I don't believe Sassy's objections to Muslims is about the colour of most of them,it's just the religion & she probably wouldn't care about that if recent terrorist activities hadn't been carried out by extremist Muslims. Let's face it we've had Muslims living here for a long time & no-one ever gave a fig!

Wish it was like that now  .

A few days ago there was a nasty racist attack near me, at a children's theme park, a man attacking a woman.

[trippymonkey]

You mean a white guy abusing an Asian woman?

[ippy]

I'm uninterested in arguing with Douglas and then you commenting. If you think he makes good points, pick some of them and put them forward for discussion.

I'm not suggesting you do argue with D M at least have a look at his input on this subject and I'm sure you'll find him interesting and he presents amostly very well balanced argument.

I find his presentations reflect my estimations, so mostly if you wish to argue with his outlook you'll be differing with me on this subject, please feel able to fill your boots with picking at him but as I have said I think you'll find very little to pick at.

ippy

[Nearly Sane]

I'm not suggesting you do argue with D M at least have a look at his input on this subject and I'm sure you'll find him interesting and he presents amostly very well balanced argument.

I find his presentations reflect my estimations, so mostly if you wish to argue with his outlook you'll be differing with me on this subject, please feel able to fill your boots with picking at him but as I have said I think you'll find very little to pick at.

ippy

Just to reiterate, if you want to present an argument, go for it. Not arguing with Douglas on here in his absence.

[ippy]

Just to reiterate, if you want to present an argument, go for it. Not arguing with Douglas on here in his absence.

I have done so without reams of text, D M is very eloquent wish I could match him, you go for it and enjoy.

ippy

 

[Nearly Sane]

I have done so without reams of text, D M is very eloquent wish I could match him, you go for it and enjoy.

ippy

Oh no you haven't

[ippy]

Oh no you haven't

You keep on putting up links, is there any particular reason why I shouldn't be doing something very similar to your use of the forum, or are there differing rules for moderators?

Anyway, haven't you diverted attention away from the subject of the thread?
 

ippy

[Nearly Sane]

You keep on putting up links, is there any particular reason why I shouldn't be doing something very similar to your use of the forum, or are there differing rules for moderators?

Anyway, haven't you diverted attention away from the subject of the thread?
 

ippy

Didn't say you couldn't put up links. Indeed I discussed the link you did put up. (Or the link you referred to, and I went and put up for you)  However on be  of that means that you have put up a number of arguments based on Douglas's anywhere which is what you claimed, and I was pointing out that you hadn't.

[ippy]

Didn't say you couldn't put up links. Indeed I discussed the link you did put up. (Or the link you referred to, and I went and put up for you)  However on be  of that means that you have put up a number of arguments based on Douglas's anywhere which is what you claimed, and I was pointing out that you hadn't.

If you want to discuss the D M link fine, where does it say in the forum rules it has to be me that discusses them with you?

Have you had a job or profession where you were in charge of people? If you have that's fine by me but apart from your place as a moderator on this forum?

ippy

[Nearly Sane]

If you want to discuss the D M link fine, where does it say in the forum rules it has to be me that discusses them with you?

Have you had a job or profession where you were in charge of people? If you have that's fine by me but apart from your place as a moderator on this forum?

ippy

Your first sentence is a strawman

Your second is a non sequitur.

[Gordon]

If you want to discuss the D M link fine, where does it say in the forum rules it has to be me that discusses them with you?

As far as I can see, ippy, it was you who raised DM so it isn't unreasonable to presume you'd be up for discussing DM's output.

Have you had a job or profession where you were in charge of people? If you have that's fine by me but apart from your place as a moderator on this forum?

Which is a pointless ad hom.

[ippy]

As far as I can see, ippy, it was you who raised DM so it isn't unreasonable to presume you'd be up for discussing DM's output.

Which is a pointless ad hom.

I have said previously that I agree with the great majority of D M's output in this subject but I'm also equally sure that there could be some nit picking around the edges of his view on this subject, it would be interesting to hear the well known nit pickers on the forum POV and either take up the nit pickers point's or not.

I can not see that there is anything difficult to understand about the words I have chosen to use.

Now do go into D M's copious output on this subject on YouTube to me it's a joy to listen to, I also think he says it like it is, if you don't agree fine we all have our differing viewpoints.

As for the ad hom as you call it, N S is very far from being thick. 

ippy

[Gordon]

I have said previously that I agree with the great majority of D M's output in this subject but I'm also equally sure that there could be some nit picking around the edges of his view on this subject, it would be interesting to hear the well known nit pickers on the forum POV and either take up the nit pickers point's or not.

I can not see that there is anything difficult to understand about the words I have chosen to use.

Now do go into D M's copious output on this subject on YouTube to me it's a joy to listen to, I also think he says it like it is, if you don't agree fine we all have our differing viewpoints.

I'm not familiar with his stuff so, and since you introduced him, I'd have thought that asking you for a precis of his main points as you see them would be useful, and is in no sense nit-picking.

Expecting people to toddle-off to Youtube just to get a flavour of someone's position that you've introduced seems unreasonable to me and perhaps a bit more effort on your part is needed to get people interested: you've taken the trouble to introduce DM but you haven't taken the trouble to explain why you've introduced him.

As for the ad hom as you call it, N S is very far from being thick. 

True, but this observation of yours in no way negates your ad hom.

[Robbie]

I've read this article (despite it being in the Sun & think Murray sets out his beliefs quite well here.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3722649/never-mind-singing-john-lennon-songs-if-we-want-peace-then-we-need-one-thing-less-islam/
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I think the answer is not to have less Islam but to have less extremist,fanatical Islam, merely my opinion.

[trippymonkey]

Well If you really 'knew' Islam it's the same thing, I'm afraid.

Nick

[Robbie]

Thank you very much Nick for your response!
You imply I do not know Islam but i do'nt mindt you saying that.
 Let's see what others say about Mr Murray's opinions.

Here is more about him -
http://henryjacksonsociety.org/people/professional-staff/directors/douglas-murray/

[trippymonkey]

No, R, I don't feel you know nowt about Islam, sorry. It was more a sarcy remark to some here that would happily open ALL our doors to some real filth.!!!

[ippy]

I'm not familiar with his stuff so, and since you introduced him, I'd have thought that asking you for a precis of his main points as you see them would be useful, and is in no sense nit-picking.

Expecting people to toddle-off to Youtube just to get a flavour of someone's position that you've introduced seems unreasonable to me and perhaps a bit more effort on your part is needed to get people interested: you've taken the trouble to introduce DM but you haven't taken the trouble to explain why you've introduced him.

True, but this observation of yours in no way negates your ad hom.

You're entitled to your opinion, obviously, Gordon.

ippy

[ippy]

I would think that anyone that doesn't want to hear an acurate break down of the troubles we seem to be going through connected with the inns and outs of islam would want to divert attention away from Douglas Murry's take on islam.

D M can convey his views in a  better way than I could do in relateing them to others, so on that basis I recomend anyone to have a look into the YouTube content of his viewpoint on this subject; I go along with the great majority of his views on this subject, but even so it's far better to hear these views from the horses mouth, than from me.

For my part D M speaks for me so if anyone wants to know my take on this subject is, I prefer to relate to D M's take because to date I've yet to find any area where I differ with him, on this particular subject.

ippy