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West London Fire
« on: June 14, 2017, 07:16:58 AM »
Awful! Fire alarms didn't go off.

London fire: Flames engulf tower block
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-40269625

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Re: West London Fire
« Reply #1 on: June 14, 2017, 07:42:23 AM »
Quote. Nov 2016

It is a truly terrifying thought but the Grenfell Action Group firmly believe that only a catastrophic event will expose the ineptitude and incompetence of our landlord, the  KCTMO, and bring an end to the dangerous living conditions and neglect of health and safety legislation that they inflict upon their tenants and leaseholders. We believe that the KCTMO are an evil, unprincipled, mini-mafia who have no business to be charged with the responsibility of  looking after the every day management of large scale social housing estates and that their sordid collusion with the RBKC Council is a recipe for a future major disaster.

Unfortunately, the Grenfell Action Group have reached the conclusion that only an incident that results in serious loss of life of KCTMO residents will allow the external scrutiny to occur that will shine a light on the practices that characterise the malign governance of this non-functioning organisation. We believe that the KCTMO have ensured their ongoing survival by the use of proxy votes at their Annual General Meeting that see them returned with a mandate of 98% in favour of the continuation of their inept and highly dangerous management of our homes. It is no coincidence that the 98% is the same figure that is returned by the infamous Kim Jong-un of North Korea who claims mass popularity while reputedly enslaving the general population and starving the majority of his people to death.

It is our conviction that a serious fire in a tower block or similar high density residential property is the most likely reason that those who wield power at the KCTMO will be found out and brought to justice! The Grenfell Action Group believe that the KCTMO narrowly averted a major fire disaster at Grenfell Tower in 2013 when residents experienced a period of terrifying power surges that were subsequently found to have been caused by faulty wiring. We believe that our attempts to highlight the seriousness of this event were covered up by the KCTMO with the help of the RBKC Scrutiny Committee who refused to investigate the legitimate concerns of tenants and leaseholders.

We have blogged many times on the subject of fire safety at Grenfell Tower and we believe that these investigations will become part of damning evidence of the poor safety record of the KCTMO should a fire affect any other of their properties and cause the loss of life that we are predicting:

https://grenfellactiongroup.wordpress.com/2016/11/20/kctmo-playing-with-fire/


So the landlords knew, it had already been raised.

Apparently the authorities  are unable to reach the landlords.

I expect they have done a runner.



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Re: West London Fire
« Reply #2 on: June 14, 2017, 08:42:34 AM »
Another tragic event. :o

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Re: West London Fire
« Reply #3 on: June 14, 2017, 08:57:04 AM »
Rose

Thank you for posting that. What a truly dreadful situation. I haven't heard that aspect mentioned on the news yet.
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Re: West London Fire
« Reply #4 on: June 14, 2017, 09:33:46 AM »
It's horrible, the more I hear the more horrible it is.

Mothers losing children, so many sad stories.

The news probably isn't stressing blame ATM, as the human story is so tragic.

But it's also sad, that had someone made sure fire safety been followed these tragic stories might not have happened as they have.

There is a lady from the community talking about the Grenvill action group now, on the BBC.

People are traumatised.




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Re: West London Fire
« Reply #5 on: June 14, 2017, 09:35:48 AM »
Fire chiefs are now saying something has gone badly wrong. There should be access for firefighters to get to the top floors and water on site. I am shocked not just by the lack of smoke alarms but of sprinklers.

Still in shock looking at this - I should think there will be large loss of life in horrific circumstances and many people left with nothing. I hope that there is a fund set up at some point to help.

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« Reply #6 on: June 14, 2017, 10:08:15 AM »
If, as is looking increasingly likely, gross incompetence is responsible for this terrible tragedy, I hope when they are rounded up they don't see the light of day for a very long time. >:(

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Re: West London Fire
« Reply #7 on: June 14, 2017, 10:22:14 AM »
Corporate manslaughter?
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Re: West London Fire
« Reply #8 on: June 14, 2017, 10:28:38 AM »
Corporate manslaughter?
Doesn't cover individuals.

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Re: West London Fire
« Reply #9 on: June 14, 2017, 10:50:53 AM »
My dad's in tears on the phone. Proud Londoner.  :'(

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Re: West London Fire
« Reply #10 on: June 14, 2017, 10:56:37 AM »
Plastic cladding on the outside of a tower block? It's like polystyrene tiles on a ceiling, surely? Wtf were they thinking?

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Re: West London Fire
« Reply #11 on: June 14, 2017, 11:11:29 AM »
Plastic cladding on the outside of a tower block? It's like polystyrene tiles on a ceiling, surely? Wtf were they thinking?

Maybe it was a cheaper option!

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Re: West London Fire
« Reply #12 on: June 14, 2017, 11:14:48 AM »
Excuse me, that's taking your anger out on people you don't like anyway and I'm sure there is parallel stupidity blaming fridge makers, greedy landlords, immigrants cooking things on the floor.
Etc.

On the other hand I think this will turn into a 'where was......?" Thing.

Where have I said I dislike anyone?

And if I'm angry it's because successive governments have pushed responsibility away from them to faceless organisations  within organisations where accountability is so hard to pin down that no-one is ever held culpable. So don't go accusing me of things that are completely untrue and in no way related to my posting.
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Re: West London Fire
« Reply #13 on: June 14, 2017, 11:20:56 AM »
This is appalling.
It hasn't had a lot of news coverage which reminds me of the fire in a council block in Camberwell a few years ago. That too was only briefly mentioned.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Lakanal_House_tower_block_fire
At the time it seemed as though few cared though years later, Southwark Council were held responsible.

The Grenfell disaster is far worse in terms of casualties and lost lives so will probably engender more publicity.

A terrible tragedy and quite scandalous that it happened.
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Re: West London Fire
« Reply #14 on: June 14, 2017, 11:22:32 AM »
BBC1 has had live coverage all morning.

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Re: West London Fire
« Reply #15 on: June 14, 2017, 11:24:23 AM »
That's good Rhiannon, so it should.
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Re: West London Fire
« Reply #16 on: June 14, 2017, 11:24:37 AM »
BBC1 has had live coverage all morning.

And ITV, it is on Twitter and all over the internet news sites.

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Re: West London Fire
« Reply #17 on: June 14, 2017, 11:30:00 AM »
Maybe it was a cheaper option!

Everything like cladding has to conform to the fire check rules, it was a half an hour fire check many years ago it must be much more strict now days, it must be at least an hour or more by now.

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Re: West London Fire
« Reply #18 on: June 14, 2017, 11:30:07 AM »
Six people reported dead so far.

On another note, this doesn't seem like the right thread to be talking about whether God is to blame or not.
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Re: West London Fire
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Re: West London Fire
« Reply #20 on: June 14, 2017, 12:27:41 PM »
Before we work on Artificial Intelligence shouldn't we address the problem of natural stupidity.

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Re: West London Fire
« Reply #21 on: June 14, 2017, 12:29:54 PM »
Corporate manslaughter?

 Doesn't cover individuals.

Kensington and Chelsea Tenant Management Organisation is not an individual.
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Re: West London Fire
« Reply #22 on: June 14, 2017, 12:32:59 PM »
Another link to the complete incompetence of Mrs May's government.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/grenfell-tower-fire-gavin-barwell_uk_59410ecbe4b09ad4fbe45929?ir=UK+Politics&utm_hp_ref=uk-politics

And their disinterest.

But things like sprinklers wouldn't have helped. There's a suggestion that a gap between the cladding and the original surface acted like a chimney. And clearly the cladding was flammable.

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Re: West London Fire
« Reply #23 on: June 14, 2017, 12:33:44 PM »
Kensington and Chelsea Tenant Management Organisation is not an individual.

Was reading your posts as following on from the one talking about individuals being locked up. 

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Re: West London Fire
« Reply #24 on: June 14, 2017, 12:49:49 PM »
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