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London again ..... van hits mosque crowd
« on: June 19, 2017, 03:13:14 AM »
Finsbury Park Mosque: 'Several hurt' as van hits pedestrians
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-40322960

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What?


It Isn't saying what that's about, but I am guessing it's a copy cat retaliating sort of attack.

It's Muslims hurt this time, on the way to prayers.

What is the matter with people?

How does stooping to the level of others ( as in terrorist nutters) and killing even more innocent people, help? Or prove anything?

They have arrested someone.

Update:

Apparently he was yelling " Muslims where are all the Muslims? I wanna kill Muslims!"

I hope they don't just dismiss him as mentally ill, because he's a terrorist too.

I think that could cause more unrest.




« Last Edit: June 19, 2017, 07:13:20 AM by Rose »

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Re: London again ..... van hits mosque crowd
« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2017, 08:25:34 AM »
One of the real, underlying problems here is that the Jihardis have invented a terror weapon which is available to practically everybody - whatever their philosophy.
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Re: London again ..... van hits mosque crowd
« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2017, 08:29:19 AM »
Another sick and evil tragedy. >:(

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Re: London again ..... van hits mosque crowd
« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2017, 08:51:54 AM »
Finsbury Park Mosque: 'Several hurt' as van hits pedestrians
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-40322960

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What?


It Isn't saying what that's about, but I am guessing it's a copy cat retaliating sort of attack.

It's Muslims hurt this time, on the way to prayers.

What is the matter with people?

How does stooping to the level of others ( as in terrorist nutters) and killing even more innocent people, help? Or prove anything?

They have arrested someone.

Update:

Apparently he was yelling " Muslims where are all the Muslims? I wanna kill Muslims!"

I hope they don't just dismiss him as mentally ill, because he's a terrorist too.

I think that could cause more unrest.

Is the man a Muslim or is he part of any terrorist group.

Till we know speculation needs to stop as he is only suspected of being a terrorist.

If he is mentally ill he is very different from terrorist and you cannot lump all murders under one heading.

It is terrible such a thing has happened.  It was terrible when real terrorist killed our people on the bridge.
It was terrible when they flew planes full of people into buildings. Terrorist are killing innocent people and we cannot
expect the relatives or those hurt by such acts not to kick out. Two wrongs never make a right.

I wish all this killing and harming others would end. But that was the reason for terrorist attacks to undermine the security of people and make them turn on each other.  We have to refrain from doing evil and from retaliation.
In all cases this not any different to our children in Manchester who were murdered in their own home town for doing nothing wrong.
This could be retaliation but Manchester wasn't and the two are not mutually the same. But both equally horrifying and unacceptable in todays society.

Divide and conquer... that is what they are using and who knows if this attack was not pact and parcel of a bigger plan.
We have to hope that peace will come and that the Government will give counseling to families who have been devastated to
stop revenge killings.
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Re: London again ..... van hits mosque crowd
« Reply #4 on: June 19, 2017, 09:00:49 AM »
Even if the guy is mentally ill it is not an excuse, what he has done is WRONG, >:( he should be incarcerated for a very long time.

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« Reply #5 on: June 19, 2017, 09:07:55 AM »
Even if the guy is mentally ill it is not an excuse, what he has done is WRONG, >:( he should be incarcerated for a very long time.


Sorry, I believe that, if this chap was indeed suffering from mental illness, he needs to be treated in a secure environment, assessed as to whether the treatment is effectibve, and then put into either a secure hospital or general prison.
It's a lot more complicated than that.

(Mind you if he's found to be part of the extreme right, then a whole life sentence is the order of the day.....)
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Re: London again ..... van hits mosque crowd
« Reply #6 on: June 19, 2017, 09:10:36 AM »
Is the man a Muslim or is he part of any terrorist group.

Till we know speculation needs to stop as he is only suspected of being a terrorist.

If he is mentally ill he is very different from terrorist and you cannot lump all murders under one heading.

It is terrible such a thing has happened.  It was terrible when real terrorist killed our people on the bridge.
It was terrible when they flew planes full of people into buildings. Terrorist are killing innocent people and we cannot
expect the relatives or those hurt by such acts not to kick out. Two wrongs never make a right.

I wish all this killing and harming others would end. But that was the reason for terrorist attacks to undermine the security of people and make them turn on each other.  We have to refrain from doing evil and from retaliation.
In all cases this not any different to our children in Manchester who were murdered in their own home town for doing nothing wrong.
This could be retaliation but Manchester wasn't and the two are not mutually the same. But both equally horrifying and unacceptable in todays society.

Divide and conquer... that is what they are using and who knows if this attack was not pact and parcel of a bigger plan.
We have to hope that peace will come and that the Government will give counseling to families who have been devastated to
stop revenge killings.

You don't have to be a Muslim or a signed up member of a group to be a terrorist.

Anyone can be a terrorist, all you need is the intention to spread fear that stops people going about their daily lives.

If someone who calls themselves a Muslim who has read things by Islamic extreme groups which caused them to act by driving into crowds is a terrorist, then it follows that if some white joe blogs non Muslim reads extremist literature about immigrants or Muslims which causes them to act in the same way, then both are terrorists.

To claim one is a terrorist while the other is mentally ill, would be a double standard.

One that most Muslims won't miss, and it will cause trouble and bad feeling.

I doubt if this person driving his van into Muslims is a relative of the victims of past attacks, but if you excuse him in any way for that, what about those Muslims who have family abroad killed by bombs from "the west" ?

Does the distance of loved ones really make a difference?

Should they be excused in part too?

I think we have to do some soul searching here, to make sure we are fair in the way we treat Muslims and non Muslims who attack in this way.


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« Reply #7 on: June 19, 2017, 09:45:35 AM »
Apparently the van was hired in Wales. Probably not even a Londoner.

Every now and then I glance at the comments on Yahoo news (don't ask me why) and the anti Muslim bile on there is staggering. Hate is very real. Most wankers who perpetuate this shit will never shift off their sofas long enough to do any physical harm, but they stoke the flames for the inadequate nut jobs that will.

I'm struck over and over by the pathetic nose picking wankery of these people. Like Newsthump says, the suicide terrorists get disappointed in heaven to find that their promised virgins are more terrorists. Of any kind.

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« Reply #8 on: June 19, 2017, 10:14:36 AM »



Very sad of course....but I am afraid this kind of thing is likely to continue. Attack...counter attack...counter counter attack....and so on! It builds on!

I wouldn't be surprised if some Britishers (Europeans?) join together to form some kind of a counter terrorist group. Maybe they already have.

Just being Chweet and flowery doesn't always help. We have to be realistic too sometimes.

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« Reply #9 on: June 19, 2017, 11:17:14 AM »
Very sad of course....but I am afraid this kind of thing is likely to continue. Attack...counter attack...counter counter attack....and so on! It builds on!

I wouldn't be surprised if some Britishers (Europeans?) join together to form some kind of a counter terrorist group. Maybe they already have.

Like the security services and the police, you mean?
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« Reply #10 on: June 19, 2017, 12:03:34 PM »
Far from Theresa May fan but that was a pretty good speech on this.

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« Reply #11 on: June 19, 2017, 12:04:45 PM »
Far from Theresa May fan but that was a pretty good speech on this.
Yep. Just listening to it too - well said.
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« Reply #12 on: June 19, 2017, 03:50:48 PM »
ALL terrorists are mentally ill.!!!

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Re: London again ..... van hits mosque crowd
« Reply #13 on: June 19, 2017, 03:54:28 PM »
No they aren't.

As an aside I'm getting tired of 'he must be mentally ill' getting trotted out after each atrocity.

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« Reply #14 on: June 19, 2017, 03:54:54 PM »
ALL terrorists are mentally ill.!!!
... which, even if true (I don't think so), is hardly good news for an already stigmatised group.
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Re: London again ..... van hits mosque crowd
« Reply #15 on: June 19, 2017, 03:56:02 PM »
No they aren't.

As an aside I'm getting tired of 'he must be mentally ill' getting trotted out after each atrocity.
No doubt to some it's more palatable than "Actually some people are just King Cnuts."
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« Reply #16 on: June 19, 2017, 03:57:02 PM »
ALL terrorists are mentally ill.!!!
Are they? Including Nelson Mandela?

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« Reply #17 on: June 19, 2017, 03:59:22 PM »
... which, even if true (I don't think so), is hardly good news for an already stigmatised group.

And exposes the ludicrous way in which anxiety, depression, PTSD, anorexia et al get lumped in with the vanishingly rare forms of dangerous psychopathy. It's like putting a common cold and a broken leg in the same category as Ebola.

Just a reminder - many of our first responders involved in Grenfell will be left 'mentally ill' because of what they have witnessed.

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« Reply #18 on: June 19, 2017, 04:08:08 PM »
We need to define exactly what a terrorist is.
Not just a person or group that inspires terror either.

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« Reply #19 on: June 19, 2017, 04:11:27 PM »
If you like. 'Mentally ill' isn't a defining characteristic of 'terrorist' though.

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« Reply #20 on: June 19, 2017, 04:18:48 PM »
We need to define exactly what a terrorist is.
Not just a person or group that inspires terror either.
Has someone suggested that? How does this link in with your assertion that all terrorists are mentally ill?

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« Reply #21 on: June 19, 2017, 08:45:37 PM »
Answer the question & stop,as bloody usual, avoiding it !!!

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« Reply #22 on: June 19, 2017, 08:47:01 PM »
Apparently the van was hired in Wales. Probably not even a Londoner.

Every now and then I glance at the comments on Yahoo news (don't ask me why) and the anti Muslim bile on there is staggering. Hate is very real. Most wankers who perpetuate this shit will never shift off their sofas long enough to do any physical harm, but they stoke the flames for the inadequate nut jobs that will.

I'm struck over and over by the pathetic nose picking wankery of these people. Like Newsthump says, the suicide terrorists get disappointed in heaven to find that their promised virgins are more terrorists. Of any kind.

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« Reply #23 on: June 19, 2017, 08:55:45 PM »
We need to define exactly what a terrorist is.
Not just a person or group that inspires terror either.

I think it's very difficult to do that.   You can see this by looking at Middle East reactions to Western violence, where the US and the UK are often denounced as terrorist states.   I suppose some people object to this, as it is not an individual act of violence.   Of course, they also object because 'our' violence is good, and 'their' violence is bad. 

Incidentally, Scott Atran, the anthropologist, has interviewed many terrorists, and argues that they are not mentally ill in the main (his book is 'Talking to the Enemy'). 
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Re: London again ..... van hits mosque crowd
« Reply #24 on: June 19, 2017, 09:53:45 PM »
Answer the question & stop,as bloody usual, avoiding it !!!
Maybe ask a question first. Your's doesn't have one.