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Re: The Future of Britain
« Reply #100 on: June 21, 2017, 07:30:31 AM »
Very bad indeed and when I hear the rhetoric I can see no way out of what is happening.

There are places in the world that are a whole lot worse.

Lots of places, children sleep on the streets, no health care for the poor or vulnerable.

Places where street children are treated like vermin.

Yes we have bad things, but look what happens with the Grenfell tower for example , your ordinary person is so generous, aid is actually turned away.

They won't be left on the streets, they are given help, even if it is criticised as not being adequate.

You can't stop other people hating, they will hate anyway.

The best thing to combat them, is not allow them to effect our generous spirit.

For every twisted, mean spirited, hate filled poisonous person, there are more that are basically kind, caring people who try and help.

You have to believe in the kind people, not get sucked up by the haters.

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« Reply #101 on: June 21, 2017, 08:16:52 AM »
Shaker,

Are you ill?
No. Are you?

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I ask because even I would not in a million years think or find what you wrote acceptable by any means or terms.
Which is precisely and exactly what I think of your semi-literate and in this case ignorant and borderline racist trash.
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« Reply #102 on: June 21, 2017, 11:24:46 AM »
Tell you what though. I've just been to Tesco and to get home I need to drive down some single track lanes. I pulled over a few times to let cars coming the other way get past and I think at least three drivers didn't say thank you. Maybe we are fucked after all.

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« Reply #103 on: June 21, 2017, 02:46:43 PM »
Another one who cannot keep the answers in-line with the question,
I have no hatred you on the other hand have prejudice a prejudice which would lead you to side with evil.
The fact is NO ONE outside our Country had the right to come here and kill our children FACT DEAL WITH IT.So the UK is the WORLD NOW? NO! That's right ... Terrorism is only global because people allowed them to travel here.

Foreigners  being allowed to breed here is not home grown. And the fact remains it would be best to stop anyone coming here for the time being.

That is RACIST! >:( Most of our ancestors were foreigners for heaven's sake, that is what has made Britain, Britain.

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Re: The Future of Britain
« Reply #104 on: June 21, 2017, 03:25:53 PM »
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Foreigners  being allowed to breed here is not home grown. And the fact remains it would be best to stop anyone coming here for the time being.

Just who do you think you are?

My partners family are all 'foreigners' by your reckoning they came here in the early 60's from East Africa. I hope at the very least your disgusting racist post is pulled.

We now have nieces and nephews who are vets and doctors and nurses and teachers and on and on and on.

You offensive piece of work.
Before we work on Artificial Intelligence shouldn't we address the problem of natural stupidity.

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Re: The Future of Britain
« Reply #105 on: June 21, 2017, 04:25:56 PM »
Sassy,

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Foreigners  being allowed to breed here is not home grown.

What a thoroughly ignorant, nasty and bitter person you are.

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And the fact remains it would be best to stop anyone coming here for the time being.

That's not a fact, it's bigotry. Presumably that "anyone" would include doctors, nurses, research scientists, engineers, lawyers, accountants, designers etc would it?

Would Jesus be proud of you do you think, or ashamed?
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Re: The Future of Britain
« Reply #106 on: June 21, 2017, 04:26:18 PM »
That is RACIST! >:( Most of our ancestors were foreigners for heaven's sake, that is what has made Britain, Britain.

There is only ONE race - The Human Race !!!

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« Reply #107 on: June 21, 2017, 04:29:24 PM »
This country would be a ghastly place to live if it just consisted of those of the white little englander mentality. :o The fact that people of all races and creeds have the absolute right to call themselves British and are in positions of authority is good.

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« Reply #108 on: June 21, 2017, 04:34:02 PM »
British only means born in Britain - British Isles NOT English. Whatever we may feel THAT is.

Too many seem to equate being British with being English.

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« Reply #109 on: June 21, 2017, 04:57:40 PM »
British only means born in Britain - British Isles NOT English. Whatever we may feel THAT is.
Worth being careful here the British Isles include the island of Ireland and describing all in the Republic as British might not work.

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Re: The Future of Britain
« Reply #110 on: June 21, 2017, 05:29:04 PM »
Just who do you think you are?

My partners family are all 'foreigners' by your reckoning they came here in the early 60's from East Africa. I hope at the very least your disgusting racist post is pulled.

We now have nieces and nephews who are vets and doctors and nurses and teachers and on and on and on.

You offensive piece of work.

Absolutely Trent, didn't we all come out of Africa, we're all related if you go back far enough.

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Re: The Future of Britain
« Reply #111 on: June 21, 2017, 05:58:27 PM »
I'm always struck by racists' use of "them", "they", "foreigners" etc. Who are these out groups on which they vent their spleens? Until about 6,500 years ago there was a land bridge between the UK and continental Europe but presumably the descendants of the people who wandered across aren't considered "foreign". Then there were the Vikings who settled. Are their descendant "foreigners" then? No? How about the Romans – too early still? The Normans then? Or the Huguenots perhaps? Then we move to the Indians, the Africans, the Russian Jews. More recently we could look to the Poles (whose grandparents were some of the bravest of the RAF pilots in WWII incidentally) and so on.

See, that that's thing. When you want to blame "other" people collectively for the acts of very few and you want to use foreignness as your reference you have to draw the line somewhere. But that's arbitrary - why stop 50 years ago? Or a 100? Or a 1,000 for that matter?

Who can possibly say. Sassy perhaps?

     
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Bubbles

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« Reply #112 on: June 21, 2017, 06:22:43 PM »
Another one who cannot keep the answers in-line with the question,
I have no hatred you on the other hand have prejudice a prejudice which would lead you to side with evil.
The fact is NO ONE outside our Country had the right to come here and kill our children FACT DEAL WITH IT.So the UK is the WORLD NOW? NO! That's right ... Terrorism is only global because people allowed them to travel here.

Foreigners  being allowed to breed here is not home grown. And the fact remains it would be best to stop anyone coming here for the time being.

The problem is we keep going into other countries and bombing them, and we are perceived of as thinking we have a right to do so...... we are perceived of as killing children in these countries, that is why they hate us. The picture they have of us is that we are immoral and arrogant. Your attitude isn't going to help mend that.

No terrorism isn't global because we allowed foreigners in, its global because that's how a minority of human beings behave. It's global because it's part of the dark part of human nature.

"'Foreigners being allowed to breed here"

How dehumanising of you, Sassy.
Your racism seems to be taking you to the side of evil, especially when you talk of " allowing people to breed"

Stopping people from coming here is reminiscent of Donald Trump, someone you obviously follow.

Your post reveals much about you, and it's not favourable.






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Re: The Future of Britain
« Reply #113 on: June 21, 2017, 08:48:39 PM »
I'm always struck by racists' use of "them", "they", "foreigners" etc. Who are these out groups on which they vent their spleens? Until about 6,500 years ago there was a land bridge between the UK and continental Europe but presumably the descendants of the people who wandered across aren't considered "foreign". Then there were the Vikings who settled. Are their descendant "foreigners" then? No? How about the Romans – too early still? The Normans then? Or the Huguenots perhaps? Then we move to the Indians, the Africans, the Russian Jews. More recently we could look to the Poles (whose grandparents were some of the bravest of the RAF pilots in WWII incidentally) and so on.

See, that that's thing. When you want to blame "other" people collectively for the acts of very few and you want to use foreignness as your reference you have to draw the line somewhere. But that's arbitrary - why stop 50 years ago? Or a 100? Or a 1,000 for that matter?

Who can possibly say. Sassy perhaps?

You're right and when I've heard someone say,"These foreigners" i always look to the right and left of them as it sounds as though they have a 'foreigner' sitting next to them!

Saying "foreigners" 'being allowed to breed here' was vile but I wonder if the bile comes out late at night/early hours of morning, some sort of obsession or mania. Just a thought which has occurred to me more than once.  No-one with any intelligence could possibly mean it if they thought it all out. Hope that doesn't come across as offensive, it was as i said a thought.

Nothing else to add.

Rose you are such a thoughtful clear poster. It's refreshing.
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Re: The Future of Britain
« Reply #114 on: June 22, 2017, 06:52:52 AM »


I don't know if this subject belongs in this thread but here goes....

Al Quds (anti Israel) march in London last week.....

http://www.thetower.org/5105-with-quds-day-march-london-shows-tolerance-for-anti-semitism/

https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4977902,00.html




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« Reply #115 on: June 22, 2017, 07:51:21 AM »

I don't know if this subject belongs in this thread but here goes....

Al Quds (anti Israel) march in London last week.....

http://www.thetower.org/5105-with-quds-day-march-london-shows-tolerance-for-anti-semitism/

https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4977902,00.html

We get lots of protests in London, Sriram, on all sorts of things.

People also had a counter rally to this one.

It's called freedom.

Not everyone that criticises Israel is antisemitic.

What do you think should have been done? Do you think people should be able to protest about things in London? Or do you think people should be told what they can protest about? And what they can't?

Provided it's peaceful and doesn't break the law by advertising illegal groups, I don't think there is much that can be done, without taking away people's freedom to express their opinion.

Some people protest about the humanitarian situation over there, not because they are against Israel.

I've met Jews who support Israel but at the same time feel they would like peace in the area and would like to stop the things that happen.

http://jfjfp.com/?page_id=2

https://jewishvoiceforpeace.org/israeli-palestinian-conflict-101/

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/11/israel-jews-arabs-palestinians-work-together-peace

http://www.yesmagazine.org/peace-justice/13-peacebuilders-in-gaza

One way to support in a humanitarian way, without falling foul of the accusation of antisemitism is to support one of the Jewish groups towards putting out the hand of friendship to Palestinians.

London sees all sorts of Protests, Sriram.

It's part of the way we are, that people can protest.






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Re: The Future of Britain
« Reply #116 on: June 22, 2017, 08:00:49 AM »
We get lots of protests in London, Sriram, on all sorts of things.

People also had a counter rally to this one.

It's called freedom.

Not everyone that criticises Israel is anti semantic.

Sorry, Rose, I agree entirely with your post but the typo is a brilliant one. Given I am friends with a number of self proclaimed grammar nazis, I wonder if they would be the counter protest to the anti semantic lot?

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« Reply #117 on: June 22, 2017, 08:02:41 AM »
We get lots of protests in London, Sriram, on all sorts of things.

People also had a counter rally to this one.

It's called freedom.

Not everyone that criticises Israel is anti semantic.
That's right, and that's what happens in a country that supports freedom of speech. You are allowed to make comments, or hold a rally based on views that others might find deeply offensive.

Only where the views expressed step over a line toward incitement to violence would a protest be prevented or individuals be prevented from expressing such views.

And others are rightly able to hold counter demonstrations or express their differing views within the media - just as the articles linked to demonstrate.

This seems to demonstrate that we have a health democracy which supports freedom of speech.

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« Reply #118 on: June 22, 2017, 08:11:54 AM »
Sorry, Rose, I agree entirely with your post but the typo is a brilliant one. Given I am friends with a number of self proclaimed grammar nazis, I wonder if they would be the counter protest to the anti semantic lot?

😁💐 sorted.

I blame the auto correct 😉

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« Reply #119 on: June 22, 2017, 10:23:54 AM »
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Foreigners  being allowed to breed here is not home grown. And the fact remains it would be best to stop anyone coming here for the time being.

What is really so unpleasant about this statement is that its author constantly drowns us in meaningless quotes from The Old Goatherder's Book of Myths, Legends and Fairy Tales which she asserts confirm her moral, intellectual and religious superiority. She flaunts her "Christianity".

It clear that she is totally clueless about the meaning of the Parable of the Good Samaritan.
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« Reply #120 on: June 22, 2017, 10:42:13 AM »
I am surprised that highly unpleasant and racist post of hers hasn't been removed by the MODs, as quite number of us find it offensive. :o

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« Reply #121 on: June 22, 2017, 10:54:26 AM »
Floo,

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I am surprised that highly unpleasant and racist post of hers hasn't been removed by the MODs, as quite number of us find it offensive. 

Offence is taken rather than given, and ignorance and bigotry are not against house rules. If anything I’d say it should be added to the “best” bits area in case anyone needs reminding in future of the character of the person concerned.
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« Reply #122 on: June 22, 2017, 11:13:10 AM »
I am surprised that highly unpleasant and racist post of hers hasn't been removed by the MODs, as quite number of us find it offensive. :o

That's free speech for you, anyway I'd rather such posts are left so other responses can be seen.

If people removed everything they found offensive, what would be left to discuss?

I'm not in favour of stifling discussion.

I am in favour of others saying why they find it offensive and providing any reader with an alternative.

To stifle subjects because we don't like them,  deprives others from reading more alternative or more balanced views.

Stifle it, and it gives an idea more power than it deserves.

Giving a good answer is much better, and may influence others who may be headed in the same direction.
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« Reply #123 on: June 22, 2017, 11:26:12 AM »
That's free speech for you, anyway I'd rather such posts are left so other responses can be seen.

If people removed everything they found offensive, what would be left to discuss?

I'm not in favour of stifling discussion.

I am in favour of others saying why they find it offensive and providing any reader with an alternative.

To stifle subjects because we don't like them,  deprives others from reading more alternative or more balanced views.

Stifle it, and it gives an idea more power than it deserves.

Giving a good answer is much better, and may influence others who may be headed in the same direction.

I take your point. I hope Sass has taken on board how vile her racist comments are. >:(

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« Reply #124 on: June 22, 2017, 04:50:45 PM »
I was in Chelmsford today and love looking around bookshops; I found this one '1,000 Years of Annoying the French' by Stephan Clarke, couldn't help chuckling at the comments on the cover etc, It has to be a good read.

Now I dislike racism as much as most people do, but there are exceptions, having a go at our close neighbours the French can be considered legitimate,  such as one of the comments on the cover: Was the guillotine a French invention, Non! It was invented in Yorkshire; sold! I had to buy the blasted book.

Nothing like some well thought out abuse from your friends, I remember the dedication in one of Douglas Adams books, can't remember which one, it went something like: With thanks to Mr & Mrs whoever for their help and constructive abuse, love that kind of humour giving it out or receiving.

There are a lot of racist remarks about the French but they are very funny in the way they're presented but unfortunately we're not all given to this kind banter and there's a lot of groups that want to restrict any kind of free speech and probably wouldn't even take this kind of light hearted banter.

Which group is it now that keep trying to acquire some kind of blasphemy law, wish to curtail free speech, via the U N H R C? 

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