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Dicky Underpants

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Re: What's This ? No Historical Jesus ?
« Reply #50 on: June 26, 2017, 04:52:16 PM »
off top of head, isn't that Vespasian?

Probably was. Didn't get my historical method working properly!
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Re: What's This ? No Historical Jesus ?
« Reply #51 on: June 26, 2017, 05:03:33 PM »
Probably was. Didn't get my historical method working properly!
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Re: What's This ? No Historical Jesus ?
« Reply #52 on: June 26, 2017, 08:08:26 PM »
Vlad,

No it isn't. It's just an explanation of what academic history actually entails, which is why it's indifferent to claims of resurrections and the like.

If you think "God or miracles" are real nonetheless then it's for you to find a method to demonstrate these claims...

...which is the point at which you always either:

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B. Disappear.
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Re: What's This ? No Historical Jesus ?
« Reply #53 on: June 26, 2017, 08:15:59 PM »
Fallacy Boy,

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I never disappear but am always here for you guys.  Like Nana in Peter Pan Ha Ha Ha.

Wrong fictional boy - try Pinocchio.
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Re: What's This ? No Historical Jesus ?
« Reply #54 on: June 27, 2017, 01:23:53 AM »
Fallacy Boy,

Wrong fictional boy - try Pinocchio.
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Re: What's This ? No Historical Jesus ?
« Reply #55 on: June 27, 2017, 04:01:35 PM »
Jeremy,

Yes I know, but Peter Pan was neither.
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Re: What's This ? No Historical Jesus ?
« Reply #56 on: June 27, 2017, 05:05:01 PM »
Poor old Sass and A B.
Why should this have any affect on their faith?

They can start worrying if anything in that article constitutes proof.

Until then ...
I haven't enough faith to be an atheist.

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Re: What's This ? No Historical Jesus ?
« Reply #57 on: June 27, 2017, 05:43:32 PM »
Why should this have any affect on their faith?

They can start worrying if anything in that article constitutes proof.

Until then ...

And have you any proof even if a guy called Jesus existed, what was claimed about him had any basis in fact?

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Re: What's This ? No Historical Jesus ?
« Reply #58 on: June 27, 2017, 05:45:28 PM »
Why should this have any affect on their faith?
Nothing has any effect [sic] on those who have abandoned or never even adopted rational thought. As someone once so rightly said, trying to argue rationally with someone who has renounced reason is like giving medicine to a corpse.

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They can start worrying if anything in that article constitutes proof.

Until then ...
Until then the irrational hug their irrationalities.
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Re: What's This ? No Historical Jesus ?
« Reply #59 on: July 04, 2017, 01:43:04 PM »

I have read "Nailed: Ten Christian Myths That Show Jesus Never Existed at All" by David Fitzgerald and it makes an intersting read.

That the Gospels, the ones the Church allowed to be included (why were the others, known to exist or to have existed, were excluded is one of the many unanswered questions still, after God alone, if he exists, remembers how many years, awaiting a response from the Vatican) contradict each other in matters that are basic tenets of the religion, why there no longer exist any writings about Jesus written while he was, supposedly, alive.

The earliest being at least fifty years after his, supposed, crucifixtion and most that exist from that time writyten by Christians or their apologists.

At least Pagans are willing to own to their beliefs being FAITH not FACT!

Sorry boys and girls, I missed this one.

Jesus is mentioned on four occasions within the Jewish writings known as The Mishnah, as verified by Rabbi Morris Goldstein, who as you may have guessed, is not a Christian. The Mishnah refers to Jesus as being a sorceror, and his disciples as criminals.

As for the Vatican, the canon of the New Testament was settled in the fourth century. And what is this obsession you have with the RC, when it is the Orthodox Church who is the real McCoy?

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Re: What's This ? No Historical Jesus ?
« Reply #60 on: July 04, 2017, 01:44:18 PM »
what is this obsession you have with the RC, when it is the Orthodox Church who is the real McCoy?
According to - funnily enough - the Orthodox Church. MRDA ::)
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Re: What's This ? No Historical Jesus ?
« Reply #61 on: July 04, 2017, 02:02:26 PM »
Sorry boys and girls, I missed this one.

Jesus is mentioned on four occasions within the Jewish writings known as The Mishnah, as verified by Rabbi Morris Goldstein, who as you may have guessed, is not a Christian. The Mishnah refers to Jesus as being a sorceror, and his disciples as criminals.

As for the Vatican, the canon of the New Testament was settled in the fourth century. And what is this obsession you have with the RC, when it is the Orthodox Church who is the real McCoy?

No religion is the real McCoy, it is all created by humans, imo.

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Re: What's This ? No Historical Jesus ?
« Reply #62 on: July 04, 2017, 04:27:12 PM »
Sorry boys and girls, I missed this one.

Jesus is mentioned on four occasions within the Jewish writings known as The Mishnah, as verified by Rabbi Morris Goldstein, who as you may have guessed, is not a Christian. The Mishnah refers to Jesus as being a sorceror, and his disciples as criminals.

Not everyone agrees with that view though do they?
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Re: What's This ? No Historical Jesus ?
« Reply #63 on: July 06, 2017, 02:10:12 PM »
Sorry boys and girls, I missed this one.

Jesus is mentioned on four occasions within the Jewish writings known as The Mishnah, as verified by Rabbi Morris Goldstein, who as you may have guessed, is not a Christian. The Mishnah refers to Jesus as being a sorceror, and his disciples as criminals.


And the said disciples have different names from those of the biblical Jesus.
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Re: What's This ? No Historical Jesus ?
« Reply #64 on: July 06, 2017, 03:32:03 PM »
Why should this have any affect on their faith?

They can start worrying if anything in that article constitutes proof.

Until then ...

Hi there SOTS, I was more commenting on the sad state of two individuals unable to unfuddle their minds from such a load of ancient  ignorant, man made, nonsense, well at least that's where the evidence is pointing.

Ah well back to the old Tarot cards.

ippy   

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Re: What's This ? No Historical Jesus ?
« Reply #65 on: July 07, 2017, 12:16:11 AM »
Hi there SOTS, I was more commenting on the sad state of two individuals unable to unfuddle their minds from such a load of ancient  ignorant, man made, nonsense, well at least that's where the evidence is pointing.

Ah well back to the old Tarot cards.

ippy   

Ah, Tarot - a good old non-religious past-time to unravel the past, the future and the present.
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Re: What's This ? No Historical Jesus ?
« Reply #66 on: July 07, 2017, 07:28:37 AM »
Ah, Tarot - a good old non-religious past-time to unravel the past, the future and the present.
Secular sorcery?...........Over to you Ippington.

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Re: What's This ? No Historical Jesus ?
« Reply #67 on: July 07, 2017, 08:18:09 AM »
Ah, Tarot - a good old non-religious past-time to unravel the past, the future and the present.

I knew you would be writing this post Owl.

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Re: What's This ? No Historical Jesus ?
« Reply #68 on: July 07, 2017, 08:20:10 AM »
I knew you would be writing this post Owl.

ippy

LOL!
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Re: What's This ? No Historical Jesus ?
« Reply #69 on: July 07, 2017, 08:22:17 AM »

Secular sorcery?...........Over to you Ippington.


Please post YOUR definition of this term please
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Re: What's This ? No Historical Jesus ?
« Reply #70 on: July 07, 2017, 08:51:28 AM »
Please post YOUR definition of this term please, Moderator: quoted content removed.

I have no idea where you've read or heard this, 'Secularist sorcery', term nothing to do with anything I've written or said?

Perhaps it was at a meeting of secularists where the tea was served up so hot,__________________

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Re: What's This ? No Historical Jesus ?
« Reply #71 on: July 07, 2017, 05:24:21 PM »
I have no idea where you've read or heard this, 'Secularist sorcery', term nothing to do with anything I've written or said?

Perhaps it was at a meeting of secularists where the tea was served up so hot,__________________

ippy

Moderator : I think Owl may have confused me with someone else and as for the name calling, water off a ducks back, I don't think there's any name calling that is possible to post on the forum that would bother me.

Oh dear!

Actually Ippy, the Moderator got it about as arse-about-face as it is possible to get!

I was, most definitely and positively, NOT referring to you.
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Re: What's This ? No Historical Jesus ?
« Reply #72 on: July 07, 2017, 05:32:20 PM »
Oh dear!

Actually Ippy, the Moderator got it about as arse-about-face as it is possible to get!

I was, most definitely and positively, NOT referring to you.

Further to the above, I have mixed up two posts - what did I say about Vlad that pissed him or the Mods off? I truly cannot remember - if the answer will get you Modded please use PM! 
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Re: What's This ? No Historical Jesus ?
« Reply #73 on: July 07, 2017, 05:34:11 PM »
Oh dear!

Actually Ippy, the Moderator got it about as arse-about-face as it is possible to get!

I was, most definitely and positively, NOT referring to you.
The moderator didn't say you were referring to ippy. That was ipoy's error.

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Re: What's This ? No Historical Jesus ?
« Reply #74 on: July 10, 2017, 12:46:11 PM »
And the said disciples have different names from those of the biblical Jesus.

Correct.