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Re: Gay in Northern Ireland
« Reply #1 on: June 25, 2017, 02:25:47 PM »
Powerful short film here.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/magazine-40355472/gay-in-northern-ireland-he-spat-in-my-face

Northern Ireland is a DISGRACE where anti-gay bigotry is concerned. >:( TM is bringing shame on the whole of the UK by trying to form an alliance with the DUP!  :o

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Re: Gay in Northern Ireland
« Reply #2 on: June 25, 2017, 02:32:26 PM »
I sincerely and whole-heartedly apologise in advance for this disgraceful statement, but I'm afraid I can't help hearing Catherine Tate in all this  :-[

https://youtu.be/cOESpIz8Mjg
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Re: Gay in Northern Ireland
« Reply #3 on: June 25, 2017, 02:33:01 PM »
Northern Ireland is a DISGRACE where anti-gay bigotry is concerned. >:( TM is bringing shame on the whole of the UK by trying to form an alliance with the DUP!  :o
Back on track: couldn't possibly agree more.
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Re: Gay in Northern Ireland
« Reply #4 on: June 25, 2017, 02:43:02 PM »
I just don't get why some people are so vile about gays. What is wrong with having a relationship with someone of the same sex?

Some use the Bible as an excuse for their nastiness.  If god, assuming it exists, is so against homosexual relationships why isn't it one of the THOU SHALT NOTS?

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Re: Gay in Northern Ireland
« Reply #5 on: June 25, 2017, 02:54:03 PM »
I just don't get why some people are so vile about gays. What is wrong with having a relationship with someone of the same sex?
Short version? computer God says no.

Don't look for a deeper explanation than that. There isn't one. That's all it comes down to with these types, in the end. God says this, God says that, God says the other, yadda yadda yadda. That's about it, really. Say 'God says it' and for those who respect bullshit, that's the end of the conversation.

Normal, sane people raise pertinent objections to this, but because even today we labour in societies where respect for irrationality is considered a liberal, humane virtue; the irrational and illiberal and even insane still have the right to say their say.

We have a moral duty with these, I suppose. I will defend that to the last ditch. Reluctantly, as I despise superstition and irrationalism. But for me, the moral duty comes in listening to, not agreeing with. I am sorry for this, as I don't like what is commonly called religion which in practice means that I don't like what are commonly called religious people. I think that in a great many cases their pretence at what we call thinking is clownish and their conclusions ridiculously, utterly absurd to the nth degree, and often at best patronising and at worst downright poisonous whenever it comes to things like being gay. But there it is, and so be it.

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Some use the Bible as an excuse for their nastiness.  If god, assuming it exists, is so against homosexual relationships why isn't it one of the THOU SHALT NOTS?
Well ... yes.

There's the old gag about there being hundreds if not thousands of commandments and prohibitions in the OT against heterosexuals and relatively speaking a handful against homosexuals, suggesting that there's nothing wrong with heterosexuals except that they obviously need more supervision  :D
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Re: Gay in Northern Ireland
« Reply #6 on: June 25, 2017, 03:36:17 PM »
I think religion is an excuse for prejudice rather than its cause. It's telling when people opt to focus on the few anti gay sentiments in the Bible rather than focus on its overwhelming message of love. They prefer a version of religion that enables them to disguise their inadequacies through feeling superior - to the divorced, to gays, to the unsaved, to whoever.

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Re: Gay in Northern Ireland
« Reply #7 on: June 25, 2017, 03:41:12 PM »
I sincerely and whole-heartedly apologise in advance for this disgraceful statement, but I'm afraid I can't help hearing Catherine Tate in all this  :-[

https://youtu.be/cOESpIz8Mjg
Shaker, how very dare you?

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Re: Gay in Northern Ireland
« Reply #8 on: June 25, 2017, 03:41:43 PM »
I think religion is an excuse for prejudice rather than its cause.

Pick a prejudice. Any prejudice.

(1) Would it have existed without religion;

or

(2) Could it have existed anyway, but not been fed to its current heights without religion?
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Re: Gay in Northern Ireland
« Reply #9 on: June 25, 2017, 03:42:10 PM »
Shaker, how very dare you?
What of it?
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Re: Gay in Northern Ireland
« Reply #10 on: June 25, 2017, 03:44:09 PM »
Pick a prejudice. Any prejudice.

(1) Would it have existed without religion;

or

(2) Could it have existed anyway, but not been fed to its current heights without religion?

Yes it could, atheists have no problem being prejudiced without religion.

Nationalist ideologies can manage to be all sorts of prejudice without religion.

Communist countries where religion was suppressed isn't well known for their open mindedness.
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Re: Gay in Northern Ireland
« Reply #11 on: June 25, 2017, 03:44:43 PM »
Yes it could, atheists have no problem being prejudiced without religion.
About?
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Re: Gay in Northern Ireland
« Reply #12 on: June 25, 2017, 03:46:35 PM »
About?

I edited, after you posted

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Re: Gay in Northern Ireland
« Reply #13 on: June 25, 2017, 03:48:49 PM »
See (2).
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Re: Gay in Northern Ireland
« Reply #14 on: June 25, 2017, 03:49:50 PM »
Where people seem to be able to express different unrestricted POV seem to work best on combatting prejudice.

It's not taking away religion, it's about opening minds and increasing empathy.

Atheists are not necessarily open minded or prepared to have empathy.

It varies from person to person.
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Re: Gay in Northern Ireland
« Reply #15 on: June 25, 2017, 03:58:20 PM »
Where people seem to be able to express different unrestricted POV seem to work best on combatting prejudice.

It's not taking away religion, it's about opening minds and increasing empathy.

Atheists are not necessarily open minded or prepared to have empathy.

It varies from person to person.

Of course not every anti-gay bigot is religious. Being anti-gay should be seen as despicable as being racist.

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Re: Gay in Northern Ireland
« Reply #16 on: June 25, 2017, 04:07:23 PM »
Where people seem to be able to express different unrestricted POV seem to work best on combatting prejudice.

It's not taking away religion, it's about opening minds and increasing empathy.

Atheists are not necessarily open minded or prepared to have empathy.

It varies from person to person.
Rose , I find it very difficult to empathise with those who show no empathy.

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Re: Gay in Northern Ireland
« Reply #17 on: June 25, 2017, 04:10:38 PM »
Pick a prejudice. Any prejudice.

(1) Would it have existed without religion;

or

(2) Could it have existed anyway, but not been fed to its current heights without religion?

Who knows?

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Re: Gay in Northern Ireland
« Reply #18 on: June 25, 2017, 04:11:13 PM »
Rose , I find it very difficult to empathise with those who show no empathy.
Personally - even though I take a lot of religious/spiritual teachings on board without the rest of the baggage I can't believe in - I don't even try. I don't think it's worth it, in the end.

There's a current discussion about IS and what the West can do. What I said here is that I'm no keyboard general. Truthfully, as I'm not.

What I didn't say - which is what I actually think - is that a rabid dog can't be reasoned with, argued with, cajoled, bought, promised or pleaded with, but shot.

In other words: the Colonel Kurtz ploy:

http://tinyurl.com/yaxrfmqr
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Re: Gay in Northern Ireland
« Reply #19 on: June 25, 2017, 04:12:07 PM »
Who knows?
Pretty much why I asked  ;)
Pain, or damage, don't end the world. Or despair, or fucking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man, and give some back. - Al Swearengen, Deadwood.

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Re: Gay in Northern Ireland
« Reply #20 on: June 25, 2017, 04:14:28 PM »
Personally - even though I take a lot of religious/spiritual teachings on board without the rest of the baggage I can't believe in - I don't even try. I don't think it's worth it, in the end.

Sometimes, just sometimes, I come across someone who is just unable to reason their way around prejudice. I can feel sympathy there. Generally though, most believers are capable of understanding prejudice and rejecting it on an intellectual level. Which explains volumes about why they don't.

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Re: Gay in Northern Ireland
« Reply #21 on: June 25, 2017, 04:17:12 PM »
What of it?
when my dad was in hospital in the 1960s he said they had a rectal thermometer in the form of a daffodil .
Every springtime our garden  had a lovely display of thermometers!

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Re: Gay in Northern Ireland
« Reply #22 on: June 25, 2017, 04:18:20 PM »
when my dad was in hospital in the 1960s he said they had a rectal thermometer in the form of a daffodil .
Every springtime our garden  had a lovely display of thermometers!
Your dad wasn't Wilfred Hyde-White was he?
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Re: Gay in Northern Ireland
« Reply #23 on: June 25, 2017, 04:23:48 PM »
Your dad wasn't Wilfred Hyde-White was he?
W H-W was the spitting image of my granddad though, hmmm?

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Re: Gay in Northern Ireland
« Reply #24 on: June 25, 2017, 04:49:55 PM »
If nothing else this thread - having mentioned IS - gives me the opportunity to replay the greatest film quotation of modern times: https://youtu.be/efHCdKb5UWc
Pain, or damage, don't end the world. Or despair, or fucking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man, and give some back. - Al Swearengen, Deadwood.