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« Reply #25 on: June 28, 2017, 10:47:45 AM »
Yep, it's a very dull building with some art tat that isn't very good.  It's the Trump Tower of its day.

Exactly. I've been inside it and it's almost a pastiche. At least the Houses of Parliament are interesting.

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« Reply #26 on: June 28, 2017, 10:51:28 AM »
I wasn't referring to you or Rhiannon.

But I guess some people just find big historical houses, boring.

Not much point in you being a member of the National Trust then, I guess.

We are always visiting places of interest, Roman ruins, Pompeii, museums, historical houses, churches, Egyptian temples, palaces various........

I know others prefer to visit Debenhams shopping even when abroad, but it's not our scene.

I like old buildings, they had have atmosphere.

They also have interesting architecture which is lost if they become flats.

Age doesn't mean interest or quality. There are numerous old buildings in this country that are more worthy of investment than BP. A good architect might actually be able to make the place interesting if it was redeveloped.

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« Reply #27 on: June 28, 2017, 10:51:31 AM »
I wasn't referring to you or Rhiannon.
No - you implied that NS dislikes BP because he's a Scot, viz.:

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They also have interesting architecture which is lost if they become flats.
Interesting architecture? Gosh, the homeless will be beside themselves with joy.
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« Reply #28 on: June 28, 2017, 10:51:56 AM »
I suspect you don't like it because it's part of English heritage.

Do you dislike historical buildings in Scotland too?

Are they all dull as well?

 ???



The only building with designated royal apartments in Scotland is Holyrood House.
It's more of a museum than anything else - and has been for well over a century.
We wouldn't miss the clan if they weren't there, really.
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« Reply #29 on: June 28, 2017, 11:07:08 AM »
I suspect you don't like it because it's part of English heritage.

Do you dislike historical buildings in Scotland too?

Are they all dull as well?

 ???

Eh?

What a bizarre post.

Please cite any evidence you have for making this accusation.

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« Reply #30 on: June 28, 2017, 01:25:01 PM »
NI, I'm firmly opposed to the idea of monarchy. But some arguments for getting rid of them are bad ones.

Wouldn't it be more that there are no really sensible reasons to keep this kind of establishment any more, (I have no quarrel with the individuals concerned). 

Yes restore the royal buildings of course in the same spirit as maintaining our historic churches.

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« Reply #31 on: June 28, 2017, 01:34:20 PM »
Buck House .....what about turning it into a home for old Conservatives?

This is Michael...Michael likes nothing more than wearing outrageously loud shirts and Jackets and going about on trains and will talk to anybody whereas his friend Norman likes to get on his bike...and of course we have bingo and the inevitable whip round for Harvey Proctor.

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« Reply #32 on: June 28, 2017, 02:01:01 PM »
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I write in support of your posts - there are, as I mentioned a while ago on another thread, some real kiljoys around here!! :D
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« Reply #33 on: June 28, 2017, 02:08:26 PM »
Why pour money into a building of little architectural merit just because it is old? There are many better and more interesting buildings that are worth more attention. The same applies to churches, incidentally. Some are of very little merit. Others are breathtaking gems.

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« Reply #34 on: June 28, 2017, 02:12:11 PM »
Why pour money into a building of little architectural merit just because it is old? There are many better and more interesting buildings that are worth more attention. The same applies to churches, incidentally. Some are of very little merit. Others are breathtaking gems.



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Re: Queen gets a hefty raise!
« Reply #35 on: June 28, 2017, 03:04:20 PM »
Why pour money into a building of little architectural merit just because it is old? There are many better and more interesting buildings that are worth more attention. The same applies to churches, incidentally. Some are of very little merit. Others are breathtaking gems.

Everybody seems to have got their knickers well and truly twisted in this thread.

Back to first principles. Sriram talks about the queen getting a pay rise. He lives a long way away and there is no reason why he should be aware of how the monarchy is funded. It does not come out of government expenditure - except in a roundabout way. George V (I believe) came to an arrangement with the government. All Crown property should be merged into the Crown Estate and the costs of the monarchy would be funded from the Crown Estate not the Treasury. So the monarchy is not paid for out of taxation.

Last year, the Crown Estate had a surplus of about £300million. This not just from Scottish castles and their farms but commercial property management (Regents Street, apparently, is owned by the Crown Estate as is a shopping arcade in Worcester). The costs of running the monarchy are taken from this surplus and the remainder given to the Treasury. All that this "pay rise" amounts to is that the amount given to the Treasury is about £5million less than would otherwise have been the case.

The fact that the money is being spent on modernising a rather dowdy building at the bottom end of The Mall should be of little interest to taxpayers because it hasn't come from collected taxes. OK, Treasury income would have been a little higher otherwise, but then so it might be after the ultimate stupidity of Brexit had resulted in wholesale insolvency in flagship London shops.
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« Reply #36 on: June 28, 2017, 03:11:31 PM »
I haven't mentioned 'tax payers money.' For my part the discussion has been about the merits or otherwise of restoring this particular national building. Churches aren't maintained from tax take either and I have argued against maintaining all of those unquestioningly too.

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« Reply #37 on: June 28, 2017, 03:27:53 PM »
Everybody seems to have got their knickers well and truly twisted in this thread.

Back to first principles. Sriram talks about the queen getting a pay rise. He lives a long way away and there is no reason why he should be aware of how the monarchy is funded. It does not come out of government expenditure - except in a roundabout way. George V (I believe) came to an arrangement with the government. All Crown property should be merged into the Crown Estate and the costs of the monarchy would be funded from the Crown Estate not the Treasury. So the monarchy is not paid for out of taxation.

Last year, the Crown Estate had a surplus of about £300million. This not just from Scottish castles and their farms but commercial property management (Regents Street, apparently, is owned by the Crown Estate as is a shopping arcade in Worcester). The costs of running the monarchy are taken from this surplus and the remainder given to the Treasury. All that this "pay rise" amounts to is that the amount given to the Treasury is about £5million less than would otherwise have been the case.

The fact that the money is being spent on modernising a rather dowdy building at the bottom end of The Mall should be of little interest to taxpayers because it hasn't come from collected taxes. OK, Treasury income would have been a little higher otherwise, but then so it might be after the ultimate stupidity of Brexit had resulted in wholesale insolvency in flagship London shops.


Well...the CNN article called it a raise....not me!  :)

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« Reply #38 on: June 28, 2017, 03:35:18 PM »

Well...the CNN article called it a raise....not me!  :)

There's no reason, Sriram, why you should have considered it anything else. You weren't getting it from a UK source.
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Re: Queen gets a hefty raise!
« Reply #39 on: June 28, 2017, 05:05:17 PM »
I suspect you don't like it because it's part of English heritage.

Do you dislike historical buildings in Scotland too?

Are they all dull as well?

 ???

You seem to be accusing NS of being anti-English and I can't see how your accusation is justified: suggest you explain or apologise.

Favouring the UK being a republic isn't anti-English, since there are no doubt English people who are republicans.