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Nearly Sane

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not about the money
« on: July 04, 2017, 09:16:47 PM »

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Re: not about the money
« Reply #1 on: July 05, 2017, 07:44:52 AM »
If I was an immigrant I'd jump at the chance, not just because of the boredom but because the resulting " pocket money" could be spent on personal luxury items, such as perfume , a lipstick etc.

I doubt anyone supplies those things.

Also it complains they will be taking jobs away from people doing it for a reasonable wage, well not necessarily.

There might be a job that needs doing but there is no job opportunity there.



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« Reply #2 on: July 05, 2017, 10:14:13 AM »
Work like a slave for a bit of lippy. Makes sense in today's Britain.

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Re: not about the money
« Reply #3 on: July 05, 2017, 10:40:18 AM »
If I was an immigrant I'd jump at the chance, not just because of the boredom but because the resulting " pocket money" could be spent on personal luxury items, such as perfume , a lipstick etc.

I doubt anyone supplies those things.

Also it complains they will be taking jobs away from people doing it for a reasonable wage, well not necessarily.

There might be a job that needs doing but there is no job opportunity there.
Once the competition for the jobs heat up just watch market forces take over. 50p an hour next?
Would you jump at that chance also?
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Re: not about the money
« Reply #4 on: July 05, 2017, 06:59:10 PM »
Once the competition for the jobs heat up just watch market forces take over. 50p an hour next?
Would you jump at that chance also?

If you were an immigrant stuck in one of those camps, you'd jump at anything.

A lot of them are escaping far worse situations than three meals a day.


You took my post out of context, didn't you?

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Re: not about the money
« Reply #5 on: July 05, 2017, 07:01:50 PM »
If you were an immigrant stuck in one of those camps, you'd jump at anything.

A lot of them are escaping far worse situations than three meals a day.


You took my post out of context, didn't you?
Why does that justify treating people like indentured slaves?

Bubbles

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Re: not about the money
« Reply #6 on: July 05, 2017, 07:04:03 PM »
Why does that justify treating people like indentured slaves?


It doesn't, my point was people with nothing are prepared to work very hard for next to nothing or a few luxuries.

If I was in their position I would too.


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Re: not about the money
« Reply #7 on: July 05, 2017, 07:06:11 PM »

It doesn't, my point was people with nothing are prepared to work very hard for next to nothing or a few luxuries.

If I was in their position I would too.
And therefore you support the govt treating people as indentured slaves

Bubbles

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Re: not about the money
« Reply #8 on: July 05, 2017, 07:10:17 PM »
And therefore you support the govt treating people as indentured slaves

Where did I say that?

My point is  if I was as badly off as they are, I would jump at the chance to improve my current situation.

I suppose you would rather they didn't have even little opportunities to improve their lot?

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Re: not about the money
« Reply #9 on: July 05, 2017, 07:14:41 PM »
And therefore you support the govt treating people as indentured slaves

I don't suppose it would occur to you that this idea might have come from the immigrants themselves?

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/608358/Ter-Apel-Migrants-Refugee-Netherlands-Crisis-Croatia-Hungary-European-Union

I don't suppose it's much more fun being in one in the uk.

They want a few luxuries, what's wrong with them earning it?

Rhiannon

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Re: not about the money
« Reply #10 on: July 05, 2017, 07:15:15 PM »
Exploitation isn't 'improving your lot'.

Rhiannon

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Re: not about the money
« Reply #11 on: July 05, 2017, 07:19:10 PM »
Of course the irony is that while 'detained' they aren't allowed to work. No asylum seeker is. Yet most want to.

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Re: not about the money
« Reply #12 on: July 05, 2017, 07:46:36 PM »
Where did I say that?

My point is  if I was as badly off as they are, I would jump at the chance to improve my current situation.

I suppose you would rather they didn't have even little opportunities to improve their lot?

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So the Govt treats people as  indentured slaves, and you seem to think that is OK, so you support  yteayong people as indentured slaves

Bubbles

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Re: not about the money
« Reply #13 on: July 05, 2017, 07:48:15 PM »
Exploitation isn't 'improving your lot'.

It depends how bad your current situation is.

People still want a few luxuries.

Even if it just consists of a packet of cigarettes

Bubbles

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Re: not about the money
« Reply #14 on: July 05, 2017, 07:48:52 PM »
So the Govt treats people as  indentured slaves, and you seem to think that is OK, so you support  yteayong people as indentured slaves

Stop twisting my words Nearly Sane.


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Re: not about the money
« Reply #15 on: July 05, 2017, 07:49:57 PM »
It depends how bad your current situation is.
No, it precisely doesn't.

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Re: not about the money
« Reply #16 on: July 05, 2017, 07:51:37 PM »
Stop twisting my words Nearly Sane.
How did I twist your words? you think the govt is acting OK, and they are treating people like indentured slaves.

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Re: not about the money
« Reply #17 on: July 05, 2017, 07:54:59 PM »
How did I twist your words? you think the govt is acting OK, and they are treating people like indentured slaves.

No, I said if I was an immigrant I would jump at the chance.

Not the same thing!

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Re: not about the money
« Reply #18 on: July 05, 2017, 07:55:53 PM »
No, I said if I was an immigrant I would jump at the chance.

Not the same thing!
To be treated like an indentured slave. 

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Re: not about the money
« Reply #19 on: July 05, 2017, 07:57:35 PM »
Half of the country is doing exploitive things that earn them a pittance, if it suits them.
Lots of women sell Avon or sell Betterware. Those at one level are exploitive, but people do it too earn a few hard earned luxuries.

What's the difference?

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Re: not about the money
« Reply #20 on: July 05, 2017, 08:24:18 PM »
Half of the country is doing exploitive things that earn them a pittance, if it suits them.
Lots of women sell Avon or sell Betterware. Those at one level are exploitive, but people do it too earn a few hard earned luxuries.

What's the difference?
Why does someone else doing something bad justify other's doing it?

Bubbles

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Re: not about the money
« Reply #21 on: July 05, 2017, 09:26:39 PM »
Why does someone else doing something bad justify other's doing it?

Are you really this annoying in RL too?

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Re: not about the money
« Reply #22 on: July 05, 2017, 09:56:37 PM »
If you were an immigrant stuck in one of those camps, you'd jump at anything.

A lot of them are escaping far worse situations than three meals a day.


You took my post out of context, didn't you?
All I asked was would you jump at the chance of a 50p an hour job.
Would you?
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Re: not about the money
« Reply #23 on: July 06, 2017, 08:49:03 AM »
Are you really this annoying in RL too?
Much much worse. Now if you would try and answer the question rather than evade it, it all becomes easier.

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Re: not about the money
« Reply #24 on: July 06, 2017, 09:02:09 AM »
My DS son has a token payment of £3 for working two days a week at an electrical company run by the Social Service department. They pack goods for big name electrical companies. The money the companies pay the SS helps them deliver good care to people like our son, which we can't fault.