The uninhabitable earth

[torridon]

So we are expected to believe that the American public is insufficiently interested in Climate change to merit a headline topic on the EPA website, although 'pesticides',  'radon' and 'bed bugs' are apparently worth a mention.

A quick look at Google search trends is sufficient to demolish such a notion :

https://trends.google.co.uk/trends/explore?q=%2Fm%2F0cs9q,%2Fm%2F0cyg8,radon,bed%20bugs

Mr Trump is denying information to his people; he would be well at home in North Korea.

[Sriram]

I am sure if the entire west stops using paper for this purpose and uses water instead (its much cleaner let me add!) it would help in reducing deforestation. Recycling is possible only up to a point.

Another important point I was discussing elsewhere was about female hygiene products. There was an article about how millions of used pads are thrown into garbage heaps every day causing a massive health and disposal problem. They end up in land fills or clog up the drainage.

Reuseable pads are now available but very expensive. The old traditional system of using household cloth that is washed and reused is considered as better for the environment, especially in rural areas.  This article was against the efforts by multinational companies promoting female hygiene products among rural folk.

Lot of little things we don't realize, result in massive damage to the environment.

I wonder about condom disposal too! Literally in millions every day!

Here is something about this from today's news ....

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-41238272

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A 250-metre long fatberg weighing 130 tonnes has been found blocking a sewer.

The solid mass of congealed fat, wet wipes, nappies, oil and condoms formed in the Victorian-era tunnel in Whitechapel, London.

Thames Water described it as one of the largest it had seen and said it would take three weeks to remove.

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How much of this is ending up in the sea...Goodness knows!

[floo]

People are stupid if they put wet wipes, nappies etc down their loos! We had a septic tank at our previous property, the drain to which used to get blocked very quickly if anything unsuitable was put down it, I was the poor so and so who had the job of cleaning the drain out! So as you can imagine it was made quite clear to everyone that nothing but toilet paper was flushed down it, or they had me to deal with.

When we moved to this property, which is on mains drains, thank goodness, our next door neighbour explained that they had been a problem with the previous owners who blocked the drain between our two properties on a frequent basis. The wife always put her makeup wet wipes down the loo and grandchild's nappies! I make it my business to check the drain on a weekly basis, during the five years we have lived here, there hasn't been a problem so far, which has pleased our neighbour.

[Sriram]

People are stupid if they put wet wipes, nappies etc down their loos! We had a septic tank at our previous property, the drain to which used to get blocked very quickly if anything unsuitable was put down it, I was the poor so and so who had the job of cleaning the drain out! So as you can imagine it was made quite clear to everyone that nothing but toilet paper was flushed down it, or they had me to deal with.

When we moved to this property, which is on mains drains, thank goodness, our next door neighbour explained that they had been a problem with the previous owners who blocked the drain between our two properties on a frequent basis. The wife always put her makeup wet wipes down the loo and grandchild's nappies! I make it my business to check the drain on a weekly basis, during the five years we have lived here, there hasn't been a problem so far, which has pleased our neighbour.

Land fills and rivers and oceans and lakes are full of tissues, diapers, sanitary pads, condoms, water bottles, plastic containers and what not. Unless we all change our life style and find ways to avoid 'using and throwing' stuff, this situation is not going to improve. It could become catastrophic.

Using water instead of toilet rolls, handkerchiefs instead of tissues, carrying water instead of buying it, carrying ones own cloth shopping bags instead of taking plastic ones from the shop, using reusable sanitary pads, using washable cloth nappies instead of ready made diapers for babies....there are many ways in which we all can contribute to reducing this problem.

[ekim]

People are stupid if they put wet wipes, nappies etc down their loos!

That's nothing,  I stayed in a Guest House in Plymouth and they had a notice in the bathroom saying 'Please do not put foreign bodies down the toilet'.

[floo]

That's nothing,  I stayed in a Guest House in Plymouth and they had a notice in the bathroom saying 'Please do not put foreign bodies down the toilet'.

So it was ok to put British bodies down the loo?

[Sriram]

Land fills and rivers and oceans and lakes are full of tissues, diapers, sanitary pads, condoms, water bottles, plastic containers and what not. Unless we all change our life style and find ways to avoid 'using and throwing' stuff, this situation is not going to improve. It could become catastrophic.

Using water instead of toilet rolls, handkerchiefs instead of tissues, carrying water instead of buying it, carrying ones own cloth shopping bags instead of taking plastic ones from the shop, using reusable sanitary pads, using washable cloth nappies instead of ready made diapers for babies....there are many ways in which we all can contribute to reducing this problem.

No one feels that such fairly simple changes could contribute to alleviating the situation?!

[Shaker]

No one feels that such fairly simple changes could contribute to alleviating the situation?!

Says who?

[Enki]

No one feels that such fairly simple changes could contribute to alleviating the situation?!

Of course, Sriram,

Just didn't think it needed commenting on, especially as some time ago we had a thread on such things as using reusable bags instead of plastic ones, and the usefulness of charging for plastic bags, for instance.

[Nearly Sane]

No one feels that such fairly simple changes could contribute to alleviating the situation?!

They may do but as pointed out last time you need to do the work that things will actually improve rather than just assert that the changes you suggest will work 

[Udayana]

Must be time for cigars all round before the next flood or hurricane or whatever?

[Sriram]

They may do but as pointed out last time you need to do the work that things will actually improve rather than just assert that the changes you suggest will work

What?

[Nearly Sane]

What?

You need to show your working with figures on whether changes will improve the situation. You were asked about this earlier in the thread. You ignored it.

[Sriram]

You need to show your working with figures on whether changes will improve the situation. You were asked about this earlier in the thread. You ignored it.

You seriously want me to 'show' you that not dumping millions of tissues, diapers, condoms, plastic bottles etc. into rivers and seas will improve the environmental conditions and prevent degradation?!!    Hmmmm!

[Nearly Sane]

You seriously want me to 'show' you that not dumping millions of tissues, diapers, condoms, plastic bottles etc. into rivers and seas will improve the environmental conditions and prevent degradation?!!    Hmmmm!

No,I want as I asked you last time to show that your suggested changes do not have an equivalent or worse impact.

[Sriram]

No,I want as I asked you last time to show that your suggested changes do not have an equivalent or worse impact.

I can do no such thing. I thought it was common sense.

You do go off at a tangent...don't you?! 

[Udayana]

How is that a tangent? Suggestions need to be properly thought through before taking action.

[Harrowby Hall]

Common sense. Oh dear, Sriram.

"Common sense" is a shorthand way of saying "I have no evidence to support this belief and have no intention of searching for any evidence".

[floo]

I can do no such thing. I thought it was common sense.

You do go off at a tangent...don't you?! 

I go along with taking your own bags when shopping, which I do, but the rest is just not practical in this day and age, especially the idea of not using toilet paper!

[Harrowby Hall]

Sriram

You may find this publication of interest:

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/69592/pb13811-waste-water-2012.pdf

[Sriram]

I go along with taking your own bags when shopping, which I do, but the rest is just not practical in this day and age, especially the idea of not using toilet paper!

What is not practical?  Carrying a hanky instead of using tissues is not practical?  Using cloth nappies for babies instead of diapers  is not practical?  Using reusable sanitary pads is not practical? Carrying own water is not practical? Really?!!

People even in western countries were doing all this till recent decades. People in many countries still do.

[Sriram]

Now I am all the more convinced that demanding 'evidence' has become more of an automated response than a reasonable request. 

And secondly, no one will individually bother to change anything in their personal lives to contribute to such a serious matter.

[Nearly Sane]

Now I am all the more convinced that demanding 'evidence' has become more of an automated response than a reasonable request. 

And secondly, no one will individually bother to change anything in their personal lives to contribute to such a serious matter.

Your lack of evidence and your attacking the posters rather than dealing with the points are both noted.

[Dicky Underpants]

What is not practical?  Carrying a hanky instead of using tissues is not practical? 

Not if you have rhinitis like mine.

[Udayana]

What is not practical?  ...

Floo said:
 

... especially the idea of not using toilet paper!

So maybe best to focus on that? (over and out...)