Has gender neutrality done for Feminism

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Has Gender neutrality stiffed Feminism? Do posters agree that there seems to be Civil war in the land of ''Right on-ness'' over this.

[Gordon]

Sounds to me like an attempt to be inclusive, which surely can't be bad.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Sounds to me like an attempt to be inclusive, which surely can't be bad.

Yes I think practically it's a positive move but what does it do for and to feminism?
I think it pulls the rug from under it by making gender a non issue.

[Nearly Sane]

Has Gender neutrality stiffed Feminism? Do posters agree that there seems to be Civil war in the land of ''Right on-ness'' over this.

Eh?!

[Nearly Sane]

Yes I think practically it's a positive move but what does it do for and to feminism?
I think it pulls the rug from under it by making gender a non issue.

Eh?

[Gordon]

Yes I think practically it's a positive move but what does it do for and to feminism?
I think it pulls the rug from under it by making gender a non issue.

I can't see this initiative has anything to do with feminism, or even maleism (if there is such a thing).

It seems to be about how gender is, or isn't, used in public announcements with reference to groups of people waiting on a platform.

[Rhiannon]

Has Gender neutrality stiffed Feminism? Do posters agree that there seems to be Civil war in the land of ''Right on-ness'' over this.

Eh? indeed.

[Sriram]

Hi everyone,

No more 'Ladies and Gentlemen'! I understand the London Tube is adopting  gender neutral announcements in future..

Seriously?!  Is this part of the PC ideal?   

Any views?

Cheers.

Sriram

[Aruntraveller]

Is this part of the PC ideal?

No I suspect it's part of an ideal to recognise that not every one identifies with their gender as easily as perhaps you and I do.

It used to be called common courtesy before it got hijacked by somewhat unthinking people who thought using the term PC was an easy stick to beat issues that they didn't agree with, getting some recognition and fair treatment in society.

[trippymonkey]

Just as long as they don't call everybody GUYS ?!?!!? AAGGGHHH I bloody hate that !!
Where did THAT rubbish start

A guy is a MAN !!!!!

[Rhiannon]

I've never identified as a lady.

[floo]

I identify as just me!

[trippymonkey]

I've never identified as a lady.

Now THAT we can ALL believe !!!!! 

[floo]

Now THAT we can ALL believe !!!!! 

 

[Shaker]

I've never identified as a lady.

Thanks a bundle - I'm going to have this in my head all day now:

https://youtu.be/4THO9-N--k4

[Rhiannon]

 

[Harrowby Hall]

What pisses me off is the grammatically illiterate (and frequently cowardly) use of "they" instead of "he" or "she", particularly in situations where the context is solely and clearly male or female. The result is stylistically unpleasant and demonstrates a lack of interest in effective communication.

[Rhiannon]

If someone does not identify with either gender then 'they' is the only accurate option.

[trippymonkey]

So NOT 'IT' then

[Shaker]

So NOT 'IT' then

No, on the grounds that it is usually reserved for things - objects - rather than people.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Can anybody explain ''Don't have to identify with your Gender, have to identify with your sexuality'' thinking.

[Harrowby Hall]

Can anybody explain ''Don't have to identify with your Gender, have to identify with your sexuality'' thinking.

I suspect "gender" is being used as a politically-correct alternative to "sex" by people who do not know what either word actually means.

[Harrowby Hall]

If someone does not identify with either gender then 'they' is the only accurate option.

Rhiannon, in the thread on male genital mutilation, where the subject is about boys and penises, there are a number of instances where the natural and obvious "he" or "his" have been replaced by "they" or "their". I wrote, earlier where the context is solely and clearly male or female.

And "gender" is not the same as "sex" - sex is a binary condition, male or female, gender is a more complex and varied condition involving a continuum with masculine and feminine as its end points.

I'm not really trying to have a go at you, Rhi, it's just that I like language which is precise. (I only wish that I could always achieve my own standards  )

[Shaker]

sex is a binary condition, male or female

Mostly - not always.

[jeremyp]

I suspect "gender" is being used as a politically-correct alternative to "sex" by people who do not know what either word actually means.

Gender and sex are not the same thing. Somebody might identify as a woman (gender) whilst being biologically male (sex).