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Nearly Sane

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One ring to....
« on: July 25, 2017, 12:11:58 PM »
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« Reply #1 on: July 25, 2017, 02:32:20 PM »
I have seen this on the local news sites. It is a horrible looking construction, imo.
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« Reply #2 on: July 25, 2017, 08:03:47 PM »
Well if the Welsh are so sensitive, they should demolish all the castles too.

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« Reply #3 on: July 25, 2017, 09:54:52 PM »
Quote from: jeremyp on July 25, 2017, 08:03:47 PM
Well if the Welsh are so sensitive, they should demolish all the castles too.





Wot Jeremy said....symbols of Longshanks oppression.
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Re: One ring to....
« Reply #4 on: July 25, 2017, 11:39:23 PM »


Bloody Hell - can't people get themselves into the 21st Century - we have enough problems here already without dredging up the ancient past!

And I don't just mean the Welsh - the English and the Scots are just as bloody bad!
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« Reply #5 on: July 26, 2017, 08:18:53 AM »
I have no idea what all the fuss is about, and it certainly isn't a topic of conversation around here, even though we don't live too far away from it.
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« Reply #6 on: July 26, 2017, 08:39:20 AM »
Quote from: Owlswing on July 25, 2017, 11:39:23 PM

Bloody Hell - can't people get themselves into the 21st Century - we have enough problems here already without dredging up the ancient past!

And I don't just mean the Welsh - the English and the Scots are just as bloody bad!

Because monuments are a visible sign of the history on which the present is based.
Would you be happy with guard towers every mikle or so reminding you of the past?
Because in effect that's what Longshanks' castles were.
Or in Scotland, a dmn great column with a statue of the Duke of Sutherland dominates a glen - whose population the said Duke cleared - violently - to make way for sheep?
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« Reply #7 on: July 26, 2017, 04:06:23 PM »
Quote from: Anchorman on July 26, 2017, 08:39:20 AM
Because monuments are a visible sign of the history on which the present is based.
Would you be happy with guard towers every mikle or so reminding you of the past?
Because in effect that's what Longshanks' castles were.
Or in Scotland, a dmn great column with a statue of the Duke of Sutherland dominates a glen - whose population the said Duke cleared - violently - to make way for sheep?

It's history - something long past! It (whatever 'it' you happen to be referring to at any particular moment) and the consequences of it have not mattered in the grand scheme of things for hundreds of years!
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« Reply #8 on: July 26, 2017, 04:14:02 PM »
As a piece of sculpture I think it will be rather pleasing.

It would have been better to have said it represents strength in unity or some such but hey.
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« Reply #9 on: July 26, 2017, 06:29:17 PM »
Quote from: Owlswing on July 26, 2017, 04:06:23 PM
It's history - something long past! It (whatever 'it' you happen to be referring to at any particular moment) and the consequences of it have not mattered in the grand scheme of things for hundreds of years!
I have to agree here - I can hold a grudge like the next man, provided the next man is a member of an old family from rural Sicily; but surely by now it's time to let these things go ... ?
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« Reply #10 on: July 26, 2017, 08:08:16 PM »
Quote from: Shaker on July 26, 2017, 06:29:17 PM
I have to agree here - I can hold a grudge like the next man, provided the next man is a member of an old family from rural Sicily; but surely by now it's time to let these things go ... ?


Surely if your local landscape was dominated by a sign of oppression or of ethnic cleansing, then that must affect your outlook on your environment or shape your sense of identity?
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Re: One ring to....
« Reply #11 on: July 26, 2017, 08:29:34 PM »
Quote from: Owlswing on July 26, 2017, 04:06:23 PM
It's history - something long past! It (whatever 'it' you happen to be referring to at any particular moment) and the consequences of it have not mattered in the grand scheme of things for hundreds of years!
So the witch trials should be forgotten?
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« Reply #12 on: July 26, 2017, 08:36:23 PM »
The Scots have Longshanks to thank - to some degree at any rate - for forging a national sense of identity which has lasted down through the centuries. While there was a proto-identity under the Canmore kings, it was almost - but not entirely - crushed by Longshanks tender mercies. I'm not being Braveheartish here - the English genocide at Berwick and subjugation of the landed class forced the Scots to choose sides. The Comyns hedged their bets - the lesser faction backed a seeming loser, himself something of a turncoat - Robert Bruce. The rest is history.
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« Reply #13 on: July 26, 2017, 10:36:32 PM »
Quote from: Nearly Sane on July 26, 2017, 08:29:34 PM

 So the witch trials should be forgotten?


Yes, they should as a matter of conflict now - they happened 200 to 500 years ago, most of the people who were arrested, tortured, convicted and executed were no more witches than you, Sassy or Vlad are witches.

It is a matter for historians to investigate and dissect and place into the proper context of the times in which they occurred.

In 2017 the Witch Trials of the 1430's to the 1750's have no more relevance than the discovery of how to make a flint axehead!

Does it really change anything that some English plonker kiled your great (seventeen times) grandfather? For all you know had he not been killed by some English plonker your line from him might never have existed.
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Re: One ring to....
« Reply #14 on: July 26, 2017, 10:49:33 PM »
Quote from: Owlswing on July 26, 2017, 10:36:32 PM
Yes, they should as a matter of conflict now - they happened 200 to 500 years ago, most of the people who were arrested, tortured, convicted and executed were no more witches than you, Sassy or Vlad are witches.

It is a matter for historians to investigate and dissect and place into the proper context of the times in which they occurred.

In 2017 the Witch Trials of the 1430's to the 1750's have no more relevance than the discovery of how to make a flint axehead!

Does it really change anything that some English plonker kiled your great (seventeen times) grandfather? For all you know had he not been killed by some English plonker your line from him might never have existed.

Absolute points, dear wol, my hat is doffed. I am a mongrel, I care nary a whit of blood, only joy
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« Reply #16 on: July 26, 2017, 11:00:20 PM »
RESTORE HISTORIC MIDDLESEX!


No more "London" Boroughs.


(the name of the historic county is being shown as a spelling error)
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« Reply #17 on: July 26, 2017, 11:38:25 PM »
Quote from: Humph Warden Bennett on July 26, 2017, 11:00:20 PM
RESTORE HISTORIC MIDDLESEX!


No more "London" Boroughs.


(the name of the historic county is being shown as a spelling error)

Bugger Middlesex - bring back Wessex!
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« Reply #18 on: July 27, 2017, 01:49:09 AM »
Oh yes, and while we are demolishing the castles, we need to flatten Offa's dyke too.

Also we need to erase names like Mercia, Wessex and Essex because they were given by the oppressors of the Welsh to the lands they took from them.
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« Reply #19 on: July 27, 2017, 08:31:44 AM »
Quote from: Humph Warden Bennett on July 26, 2017, 10:57:55 PM
What about historic Middlesex?

My husband comes from Middlesex.
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« Reply #20 on: July 27, 2017, 12:06:15 PM »
Quote from: Floo on July 27, 2017, 08:31:44 AM

My husband comes from Middlesex.


. . . and I live in what was once Middlesex but is now a London Borough.
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« Reply #21 on: July 27, 2017, 02:39:46 PM »
Quote from: Owlswing on July 27, 2017, 12:06:15 PM
. . . and I live in what was once Middlesex but is now a London Borough.

I do remember seeing about twenty years ago one surviving "County of Middlesex"sign, on the Watford Road.

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« Reply #22 on: July 27, 2017, 05:25:51 PM »
Are we talking about a sexual position for a threesome or am I in the wrong forum again (accidentally darling, honest!)?
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« Reply #23 on: July 27, 2017, 06:58:21 PM »
Quote from: Sebastian Toe on July 27, 2017, 05:25:51 PM
Are we talking about a sexual position for a threesome or am I in the wrong forum again (accidentally darling, honest!)?

I was once a member of a forum whose software would not permit "The Piccadilly Line will take you from Arsenal to Cockfosters."

I was under the impression that we should respect people who were middlesex.

By the way, I rather like the ring.
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