Sacrifice

[floo]

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[Shaker]

I don't think killing animals now is acceptable, never mind back then - whatever the supposed justification.

[Rhiannon]

Do you think it was acceptable to sacrifice animals as an atonement for 'sin' as they did in the days of the OT? God then decided it would be better to sacrifice its son as a once and for all sacrifice, how kind of it!

Human or animal sacrifice is ghastly, and if god really ordered people to do this, it is a psycho, imo.

This is rightly a Jewish topic. Just saying.

[Nearly Sane]

This is rightly a Jewish topic. Just saying.

is it? Given the mention of sacrifice of JC surely it's a Christian topic too? I get your point but not really sure how we divide up comments on the OT. I see this as discussing a divide between the OT and the NT and that makes no sense in the Jewish sense.

[floo]

This is rightly a Jewish topic. Just saying.

I am talking about it from a Christian perspective as Jesus was supposedly the ultimate sacrifice.

[Anchorman]

Actually, since animal sacrifice was a norm in the ancient world, it's not only a Jewish topic.

[Sriram]

The need for 'sacrifice' is present in Hinduism too. It is however about individuals sacrificing their personal desires and needs.

Every time a person went on a pilgrimage (taking several weeks or months those days)...he or she was expected to give up something, it could be his favorite dish, special piece of clothing  or anything that required will power. Some people would give up sleeping on a mattress, footwear, sex or something else.

 Sacrifice was a way of self discipline and personal self control.  By and by people started making it easier on themselves by sacrificing (killing) some animal or bird (and eating it later).

How the idea of God sacrificing his son came about in Christianity, is a different matter, I guess.

[Anchorman]

I played a small part in setting up the "Gifts for the gods" exhibition in Glasgow's Kelvingrove museum last year, containing the museum's own collection, plus a travelling exhibition from the museums of Liverpool and Manchester, of animal mummies and their containers from theninth century BC into Roman era Egypt. The subject of animal sacrifice as a substitute for the dwindling royal authority and changes in theological thought as the Egyptian state imploded over several centuries has always fascinated me.

[Rhiannon]

Actually, since animal sacrifice was a norm in the ancient world, it's not only a Jewish topic.

Floo specifically mentioned the OT.

[Rhiannon]

is it? Given the mention of sacrifice of JC surely it's a Christian topic too? I get your point but not really sure how we divide up comments on the OT. I see this as discussing a divide between the OT and the NT and that makes no sense in the Jewish sense.

This was one of my 'things' when studying and you can't understand the animal sacrifice in the OT without looking at it from a specifically Jewish perspective. I studied with a Jewish elder in order to understand - only briefly, it's a deep subject.

[Nearly Sane]

This was one of my 'things' when studying and you can't understand the animal sacrifice in the OT without looking at it from a specifically Jewish perspective. I studied with a Jewish elder in order to understand - only briefly, it's a deep subject.

Again I can see the point that there is a specific Jewish perspective on this but if it is being linked to the NT, it's obviously not that perspective that is being focussed on.

[floo]

Floo specifically mentioned the OT.

As I have said in a previous post I am relating sacrifice to Christianity in this instance. If you want to start a topic on sacrifice on the Jewish board, please do.

[Rhiannon]

As I have said in a previous post I am relating sacrifice to Christianity in this instance. If you want to start a topic on sacrifice on the Jewish board, please do.

So what do you understand about the progression of thought in the OT with regards to animal sacrifice? How do you think that 'evolved' into the human sacrifice' of Jesus? Do you think that accurately reflects Jewish ideas about sacrifice or can you see a different influence in there?

[Anchorman]

As I have said in a previous post I am relating sacrifice to Christianity in this instance. If you want to start a topic on sacrifice on the Jewish board, please do.

Since sacrifice - human or animal - is no longer necessary as a means of grace, why are you relating it to Christianity?
Shouldn't you widen the topic to 'self-sacrifice'?

[Rhiannon]

Since sacrifice - human or animal - is no longer necessary as a means of grace, why are you relating it to Christianity?
Shouldn't you widen the topic to 'self-sacrifice'?

So you reject the notion of Christ as the Sacrificial Lamb?

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Do you think it was acceptable to sacrifice animals as an atonement for 'sin' as they did in the days of the OT? God then decided it would be better to sacrifice its son as a once and for all sacrifice, how kind of it!

Human or animal sacrifice is ghastly, and if god really ordered people to do this, it is a psycho, imo.

Have you thought of putting this on the Jewish message board?
Jesus has made any necessary sacrifice AFA atonement is concerned.

[Anchorman]

So you reject the notion of Christ as the Sacrificial Lamb?

"self sacrifice".
Christ being the self who is the one and only sacrifice.

[trippymonkey]

Seeing as ALL is within & IS God, how can one give back what is already God's ?!?!!?!?

[Robbie]

This is rightly a Jewish topic. Just saying.

Only problem is we don't seem to have any Jewish posters.

[Spud]

Do you think it was acceptable to sacrifice animals as an atonement for 'sin' as they did in the days of the OT? God then decided it would be better to sacrifice its son as a once and for all sacrifice, how kind of it!

Human or animal sacrifice is ghastly, and if god really ordered people to do this, it is a psycho, imo.

The priests ate the meat of many of the prescribed animal sacrifices. The passover lamb was eaten by the people.

[Shaker]

The priests ate the meat of many of the prescribed animal sacrifices. The passover lamb was eaten by the people.

I dare say, but that doesn't actually answer Floo's question.

[Sriram]

"self sacrifice".
Christ being the self who is the one and only sacrifice.

How is that?  I thought Jesus Christ (as the son of God) was symbolic of the Higher Self (that is eternal)...not the Lower Self that must be eradicated.

[Spud]

I dare say, but that doesn't actually answer Floo's question.

If a person eats an animal it is sacrificed so he/she can live. If an old testament sacrifice was eaten by a priest then the offerer was indeed giving his best unblemished animal so someone else could live, making it a sacrifice in the true sense. So yes is my answer to the op.

[floo]

If a person eats an animal it is sacrificed so he/she can live. If an old testament sacrifice was eaten by a priest then the offerer was indeed giving his best unblemished animal so someone else could live, making it a sacrifice in the true sense. So yes is my answer to the op.

What about Abraham being prepared to offer Isaac up as a sacrifice, would he have eaten his remains?

[Anchorman]

How is that?  I thought Jesus Christ (as the son of God) was symbolic of the Higher Self (that is eternal)...not the Lower Self that must be eradicated.

What about Abraham being prepared to offer Isaac up as a sacrifice, would he have eaten his remains?

What 'higher self'?
We're gonna get into yet another Trinity thread here - I feel it in my bones.