Sriram, I note you made this comment immediately after trippymonkey's very reasonable question to you (Why do you feel we're all filthy lightbulbs when we're born?), which you chose to ignore. If you genuinely want a discussion then perhaps responding to questions would be a start. In previous threads I've several times invited you to explain why you believe something or why you think we should take seriously something that you assert without evidence, but you've never responded to those posts. You often - as here - seem quite vexed that nobody wants to embrace your beliefs or consider them more seriously, apparently simply on the strength that you believe them to be true. Perhaps there's a message for you in this somewhere.
It's probably not a coincidence that you, an Indian, hold beliefs that are widely held within Indian religions. I suspect the central problem you have when you proselytise here is that few or none of us grew up with your religious worldview and don't, like you, take it as obvious. Merely stating the content of your beliefs or posting videos that do the same isn't in itself likely to persuade anyone. You would need, minimally, to show how your beliefs might be relevant to us and why we might want to investigate them further, which is precisely why I've previously asked you to do this. If you have personal experiences that illustrate how you have found these beliefs helpful in your own life then that would obviously also help.
The most obvious reason that this thread hasn't taken off in the way you hoped is probably that nobody can see why they should be interested in your idea of enlightenment, entangled as it is with your entire worldview, which is not generally shared by contributors to this forum. Why then should we be concerned with liberation from samsara? Such concern would depend on a pre-existing belief in rebirth, which very clearly few people here subscribe to. You would first have to persuade us to believe in rebirth, but why would anyone choose to believe in something simply so that they could believe in a means to escape from it? This would be like a person volunteering to become infected with a disease in order to have a reason to buy medicine from the person who infected them. When people do adopt a belief in rebirth it is not usually to escape from it but because they think it preferable to dying. In other words, they find samsara attractive, or at least more attractive than the alternative. All this leads us back to trippymonkey's question to you and the issue of why anyone might wish to embrace the belief that they were born in need of a long, slow 'cleaning up' as you put it.
Well...Bramble, it is very simple really!
1. This is a Religions & Ethics board and is intended for discussion of precisely such matters as I discuss. Most people seem to forget that and seem to assume that I and other spiritual people owe the atheists on this board some kind of an explanation! This is clearly wrong. Let me make it clear that I am not presenting any thesis for the approval of you people here. I am not going to 'explain' myself to anyone. Let us be very clear about that.
2. If anyone wants to have a civil and knowledgeable discussion based on their own understanding of spirituality, I am always open for a discussion and I do often have lengthy discussions whenever it is warranted and whenever the other person is suitably civil and suitably responsive. I don't continue a conversation with everyone simply because I just don't want to. If anyone feels ignored...there is no personal offence...but it means that I just find the discussion pointless and a dead end.
3. Subjects like Spirituality are not amenable for proof or evidence and cannot be 'made understood' to others. These subjects require a certain background and a certain perception. If anyone has it, it will be possible to discuss these matters. If not, these things cannot be discussed. It is not like pulling out some 'evidence' and showing you why I think in a certain way. If you don't understand it ...you just don't! That's it!
4. In spite of the fact that most people on this board are atheists with no background at all of Hindu spirituality, I continue to post on such matters only to introduce them to such ways of thinking because they are different from the Western and Christian spirituality that they have been exposed to. If people have a problem with it, I can't help it. I know these subjects may make people uncomfortable. People may find it difficult to brush them off as easily as they enjoy brushing off Christian mythology. I however think that it is important that I continue to introduce people to such thoughts in spite of their reluctance to understand them.
5. People are free to disagree with anything I say...and most people have indeed been disagreeing with me quite vehemently over the years. That is no problem. But don't expect me to keep presenting my arguments to you for agreement....or spend endless hours trying to convince anyone. If I find something is not being understood or being taken in the right spirit, I will just move on.
6. In this thread, I am not concerned about anyone not agreeing or understanding what I or the Sadhguru have said. That doesn't bother me one bit. I was only talking about the usual stuff that torridon and others normally take up for discussion. If no one has anything to say...just fine with me!
