Pigs as organ donors

[BeRational]

Yes it would be wonderful if one day it was possible to grow individual organs without any donor being needed.

I agree, but I would still eat pigs!

[Rhiannon]

http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/164976/israel-organ-donation

[floo]

For those who object to the human animal eating meat, which is natural as we are carnivores, how do you view carnivores of other species?

[Nearly Sane]

For those who object to the human animal eating meat, which is natural as we are carnivores, how do you view carnivores of other species?

Omnivores rather than carnivores, followed by an appeal to nature https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_nature, and an irrelevance.

[floo]

Omnivores rather than carnivores, followed by an appeal to nature https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_nature, and an irrelevance.

Why is it an irrelevance?

[Nearly Sane]

Why is it an irrelevance?

Because morality is about responsibility in most views. Just as a toddler cannot consent to sex, the position of most people on here is other animals as far as we know do not understand morality in this way. Since we cannot be sure of their understanding we don't prosecute them for murder.

[floo]

Because morality is about responsibility in most views. Just as a toddler cannot consent to sex, the position of most people on here is other animals as far as we know do not understand morality in this way. Since we cannot be sure of their understanding we don't prosecute them for murder.

How on earth can you compare having sex with a child to a human eating meat?

[Nearly Sane]

How on earth can you compare having sex with a child to a human eating meat?

As covered it's highlighting the idea that since a toddler cannot consent it is not seen as responsible. 

[Maeght]

For those who object to the human animal eating meat, which is natural as we are carnivores, how do you view carnivores of other species?

We aren't carnivores and we don't need to eat meat.

[BeRational]

We aren't carnivores and we don't need to eat meat.

We don't need to do a lot of things, so what?

[Robbie]

The main point of Maeght's post is that we humans aren't naturally carnivorous. Those of us who eat meat do so because we want to, not because we will die without it.

[jeremyp]

We aren't carnivores and we don't need to eat meat.

No, we are omnivores and our digestive system has evolved to accommodate that fact. Whilst we can mange without meat, it is harder to get a balanced diet if we don't eat some meat.

[Maeght]

No, we are omnivores and our digestive system has evolved to accommodate that fact. Whilst we can mange without meat, it is harder to get a balanced diet if we don't eat some meat.

Yes it is.

[Maeght]

We don't need to do a lot of things, so what?

My point of view is that if we don't need to do something which causes suffering and death of sentient beings then I don't want to do that thing. You may feel differently but worth pointing out now and again that we don't need to eat meat and can be meat free fairly easily these days I think. It was also part of a response to the post that we are carnivores, which we aren't of course, and the appeal to nature.

[floo]

No, we are omnivores and our digestive system has evolved to accommodate that fact. Whilst we can mange without meat, it is harder to get a balanced diet if we don't eat some meat.

Agreed.

[Maeght]

Agreed.

Harder but not that difficult these days.

[SusanDoris]

We aren't carnivores and we don't need to eat meat.

Track back through our ancestors and find a place where a human species evolved from non-animal-eating ape ancestor.

[Rhiannon]

It doesn't matter what we evolved from. We aren't carnivores. My cat is a carnivore. I'm not. I satisfy my omnivorous diet by eating eggs and dairy and I am able to choose not to eat meat, staying well without it. It's really not difficult at all to get everything I need nutritionally.

[floo]

It doesn't matter what we evolved from. We aren't carnivores. My cat is a carnivore. I'm not. I satisfy my omnivorous diet by eating eggs and dairy and I am able to choose not to eat meat, staying well without it. It's really not difficult at all to get everything I need nutritionally.

If that suits you  no problem, I like meat in moderation, and will continue to eat it.

[Rhiannon]

If that suits you  no problem, I like meat in moderation, and will continue to eat it.

Where have I said that you shouldn't?

[Maeght]

Track back through our ancestors and find a place where a human species evolved from non-animal-eating ape ancestor.

Why?

[floo]

Where have I said that you shouldn't?

I didn't say you had, did I?

[SusanDoris]

Why?

Because, as far as I know, our species would not have survived so successfully if it had not had such a widely varied diet, and because there were times when plants and fruit would not have been available, whereas people tended to live almost exclusively - and again as far as I know - by water, so that they had fish to sustain them.

Do you think our species would have evolved as we are without meat being included in the diet of our ancestor ape and , therefore, inherited by us via natural selection and random mutations resulting in what we are?

[Maeght]

Because, as far as I know, our species would not have survived so successfully if it had not had such a widely varied diet, and because there were times when plants and fruit would not have been available, whereas people tended to live almost exclusively - and again as far as I know - by water, so that they had fish to sustain them.

Do you think our species would have evolved as we are without meat being included in the diet of our ancestor ape and , therefore, inherited by us via natural selection and random mutations resulting in what we are?

What relevance does our past evolution and habitat have when we are talking about our present day diet?

[SusanDoris]

What relevance does our past evolution and habitat have when we are talking about our present day diet?

Hmmmm, I'd say that unless we maintain those traits which could possibly, over a very long period of time of course, become apparently unnecessary and fail to be naturally selected for,  so that when another catastrophe arrives (meteor, supervolcano eruption, etc)the human species could well find itself becoming extinct because it will not have the adaptations it needs.