Taylor Swift and why groping is wrong.

[ippy]

Ye-ah. I wasn't having a go ippy,sure it would seem funny at the time. Not something a person would do now though, times have changed. Which is exactly what we're all saying on this thread.

Grim stuff. Some small firms are good, we can't tar them all with teh same brush. A lot depends on the the individual HR manager. Frankly, those who are bad need to be shown up for their lack of discretion, kindness and general professionalism, they don't need a diploma to possess those qualities. Shame on the firms for not demanding higher standards - probably because they pay lower salaries & there's not much in the way of career progression.

I wish a good outcome for the person you're helping.

Come on Rob, it was his sister; it would be fun anytime.

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[Robbie]

Discussion has moved on ippy, i'm not thinking about your dad & his sister any more.
Rhi has started a new thread about whether or not white people can fight racism, really good thread.

[ippy]

Discussion has moved on ippy, i'm not thinking about your dad & his sister any more.
Rhi has started a new thread about whether or not white people can fight racism, really good thread.

OK Rob, you got it humourlessly wrong and you want to move on; I've got two now grown up adopted mixed race sons both in their late thirties, it's not that easy to changing the mind of racists, I have found it's more effective to do your best by setting an example.

We've had a some brushes with racism, none of them too upsetting and one that was quite funny not malicious in any way.

On the whole I've found that Britain isn't that racist and the remainder are on their way out, unfortunately you'll always get a few hangers on.
 
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[Rhiannon]

Agree, Ippy, we've nothing like the problems that the States has.

[ippy]

Agree, Ippy, we've nothing like the problems that the States has.

Yes I remember talking to an American, he was a New Yorker, although I can't remember the words he used now, he had several terms of phrase he was using that I had to look up in an American slang dictionary and I can remember my thoughts of how unfair and cruel these remarks were when I realised what they actually meant.

If you can get to see or hear an unedited text or recording of the musical 'Showboat', from the twenties, not easy, it reveals more than a little about the roots of racism in the States. 

Kern and his lyricist both Jews were very well qualified and able to express how things were in those days.

Both of us my wife and myself are unable to watch or read about slavery or anything like it, I can tell you it hurts like hell, and we would both be classified as white, I can't imagine how hurtful this stuff is to anyone that's on the brunt of racism whichever part of a colour chart they come from.

A stupid idea is a stupid idea and deserves any criticism it gets but what can you do about your individual ethnicity?

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[Robbie]

I dohave some understanding about the hurt you have felt when racist people spout their vitriol ippy. There was a time when it was commonplace.

[Harrowby Hall]

If you can get to see or hear an unedited text or recording of the musical 'Showboat', from the twenties, not easy, it reveals more than a little about the roots of racism in the States. 

Kern and his lyricist both Jews were very well qualified and able to express how things were in those days.

Oscar Hammerstein was actually a Christian, although he certainly was of Jewish descent. He was profoundly anti racist throughout the whole of his professional life. His later professional relationship with Richard Rodgers (also Jewish), quite probably the greatest theatrical partnership of the twentieth century, continued his crusade against racism - in South Pacific and less obviously in The King and I. A significant part of the southern USA refused to allow stage productions of South Pacific.

In Showboat the very first word sung after the curtain rises is the one beginning with "N". The first decision any director of the show is whether to allow the use of the word or to replace it with something less challenging. The wise ones retain it.