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Walt Zingmatilder

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Re: Where's the evidence?
« Reply #100 on: August 18, 2017, 09:59:17 PM »
So is that you saying yes you are infallible on the existence of god?
I cannot prove I am correct on this one but then you cannot prove I'm wrong.
 

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Re: Where's the evidence?
« Reply #101 on: August 18, 2017, 10:02:39 PM »
I cannot prove I am correct on this one but then you cannot prove I'm wrong.

Super - are we playing a wee game of 'spot the fallacy'?




Walt Zingmatilder

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Re: Where's the evidence?
« Reply #102 on: August 18, 2017, 10:04:12 PM »
Super - are we playing a wee game of 'spot the fallacy'?
What? He can prove i'm wrong!!!?????!!!

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Re: Where's the evidence?
« Reply #103 on: August 18, 2017, 10:08:19 PM »
What? He can prove i'm wrong!!!?????!!!

Nope - you've just committed a common or garden fallacy: albeit a popular one that is seemingly beloved of some (but not all) theists. 

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Re: Where's the evidence?
« Reply #104 on: August 18, 2017, 10:11:45 PM »
Nope - you've just committed a common or garden fallacy: albeit a popular one that is seemingly beloved of some (but not all) theists.
How can a statement of fact be a fallacy Gordon? Aren't you seeing stuff that isn't there and reading stuff in?
Go on then I'm all ears.

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Re: Where's the evidence?
« Reply #105 on: August 18, 2017, 10:14:29 PM »
Has anyone here ever met &-or talked with God ??? ;)

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Re: Where's the evidence?
« Reply #106 on: August 18, 2017, 10:17:13 PM »
How can a statement of fact be a fallacy Gordon? Aren't you seeing stuff that isn't there and reading stuff in?
Go on then I'm all ears.

Then, big ears, re-read your #100.
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Re: Where's the evidence?
« Reply #107 on: August 18, 2017, 10:18:48 PM »
I cannot prove I am correct on this one but then you cannot prove I'm wrong.

There you go with the NPF  again.

Are you really going to claim infallibilty?

That seems to end all discussions,  if you cannot be wrong.

You must know everything to know that you cannot under any circumstances be wrong about something you cannot even demonstrate to be true.
I see gullible people, everywhere!

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Re: Where's the evidence?
« Reply #108 on: August 18, 2017, 10:22:23 PM »
There you go with the NPF  again.

And the NPF fallacy is?
And in what way did I ''go'' with it.

Can you prove my non infallibility?

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Re: Where's the evidence?
« Reply #109 on: August 18, 2017, 10:24:55 PM »
And the NPF fallacy is?
And in what way did I ''go'' with it.

Can you prove my non infallibility?

You're doing it again.

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Re: Where's the evidence?
« Reply #110 on: August 18, 2017, 10:27:11 PM »
And the NPF fallacy is?
And in what way did I ''go'' with it.

Can you prove my non infallibility?

Are you serious.
The negative proof fallacy where you said I could  it prove you wrong.

This is logic 101, I do not have to show you to be wrong, You have to provide evidence to show you are right.

You must know this by now?
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Re: Where's the evidence?
« Reply #111 on: August 18, 2017, 10:28:48 PM »
And the NPF fallacy is?
And in what way did I ''go'' with it.

Can you prove my non infallibility?

AGAIN !

YOU HAVE TO SHOW THAT YOU ARE INFALLIBLE .

You made the claim that you cannot be wrong about there being a god.
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Walt Zingmatilder

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Re: Where's the evidence?
« Reply #112 on: August 18, 2017, 10:32:21 PM »
Are you serious.
The negative proof fallacy where you said I could  it prove you wrong.

This is logic 101, I do not have to show you to be wrong, You have to provide evidence to show you are right.

You must know this by now?
No if you say I am not infallible that is a positive assertion since you are saying I am fallible on the issue of God.
Demonstrate my fallibility and stop feeding us with guff about logic 101.

The trouble with most antitheists here is that they have no handle on what constitutes a positive assertion.

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Re: Where's the evidence?
« Reply #113 on: August 18, 2017, 10:35:15 PM »
No if you say I am not infallible that is a positive assertion since you are saying I am fallible on the issue of God.
Demonstrate my fallibility and stop feeding us with guff about logic 101.

The trouble with most antitheists here is that they have no handle on what constitutes a positive assertion.

I have  it said you are not infallible, I do not believe you are nor do I think anyone would be so stupid to claim that they are.
Did you type too quickly,  and you did  it mean to say that you could not be wrong and that you are not infallible.

If you claim infallibilty then it makes you look silly and shows you to have a massive ego.

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Re: Where's the evidence?
« Reply #114 on: August 18, 2017, 10:46:08 PM »
You're doing it again.
Doing what?
Either you accept my interpretation of my experience is correct or you don't. You must have reasons that you don't. Are you happy that you have or are you being unreasonable?
I'm afraid you still have a poor understanding of what constitutes a positive assertion with a burden of proof. Be rational was exposed earlier on a confusion arising from his amazing assertion that something only effectively comes into being when demonstrated.

If you are not offering evidence to the contrary then you are effectively not challenging my position.



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Re: Where's the evidence?
« Reply #115 on: August 18, 2017, 10:47:54 PM »
Doing what?
Either you accept my interpretation of my experience is correct or you don't. You must have reasons that you don't. Are you happy that you have or are you being unreasonable?
I'm afraid you still have a poor understanding of what constitutes a positive assertion with a burden of proof. Be rational was exposed earlier on a confusion arising from his amazing assertion that something only effectively comes into being when demonstrated.

If you are not offering evidence to the contrary then you are effectively not challenging my position.

You don't do logic do you.

You do not understand logic, basic logic, and yet you claim you cannot possibly under any circumstances be wrong.

I have never known anyone claim infallibilty, it's bonkers to do so.

You must know everything to know you cannot be wrong.

Do you claim to know everything,  surely not.

You do not understand the NPF  for a start.
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Re: Where's the evidence?
« Reply #116 on: August 18, 2017, 10:52:40 PM »
I have  it said you are not infallible, I do not believe you are nor do I think anyone would be so stupid to claim that they are.
Did you type too quickly,  and you did  it mean to say that you could not be wrong and that you are not infallible.

If you claim infallibilty then it makes you look silly and shows you to have a massive ego.
If there is stupidity here it is insisting on not ever knowing whether there is a God or not. What guarantees can you give that that is the case?

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Re: Where's the evidence?
« Reply #117 on: August 18, 2017, 10:55:25 PM »
If there is stupidity here it is insisting on not ever knowing whether there is a God or not. What guarantees can you give that that is the case?

AGAIN you seem confused.
I do not know if there is a god or not, I only know I do not believe in a god at the moment.

Do you want to retract your claim of infallibility as I think that is the sensible thing to do.
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Re: Where's the evidence?
« Reply #118 on: August 18, 2017, 11:05:24 PM »
AGAIN you seem confused.
I do not know if there is a god or not, I only know I do not believe in a god at the moment.

Do you want to retract your claim of infallibility as I think that is the sensible thing to do.
I'm not convinced.

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Re: Where's the evidence?
« Reply #119 on: August 19, 2017, 12:10:08 AM »
You don't do logic do you.

You do not understand logic, basic logic, and yet you claim you cannot possibly under any circumstances be wrong.

I have never known anyone claim infallibilty, it's bonkers to do so.

You must know everything to know you cannot be wrong.

Do you claim to know everything,  surely not.

You do not understand the NPF  for a start.
I think you are confusing thinking that something is right with infallibility, the state of never being wrong here.

The elephant in the room are the claim that we can never know whether there is a God and that no one knows whether there is a God. How is that established?

Whether you have to prove something is a different thing from whether you can prove something. I have said I cannot prove my correctness but that may be because I do not have the skills. Your assertion that we can assume the non existence of something until it can be demonstrated is odd since it seems to conjur stuff out of nothing and ignores discovery. This alters the default position and therefore the burden of proof.

I couldn't find any entries for the no proof fallacy on the interweb even on an acronym site. I did find an acronym though which describes the antitheist effort today...................No Pants Friday.

Do you mean the fallacy which states you cant prove it isn't therefore it must be? That is different from a statement that goes you can't prove it is and you can't prove it isn't........which I believe is a definition of unfalsifiability rather than a fallacy.
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Re: Where's the evidence?
« Reply #120 on: August 19, 2017, 08:03:42 AM »
I couldn't find any entries for the no proof fallacy on the interweb even on an acronym site. I did find an acronym though which describes the antitheist effort today...................No Pants Friday.

These things are much easier when you use the correct terms. It's 'negative proof fallacy' (also known as the argument from [properly appeal to] ignorance).

Try again.
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Re: Where's the evidence?
« Reply #121 on: August 19, 2017, 08:32:18 AM »
These things are much easier when you use the correct terms. It's 'negative proof fallacy' (also known as the argument from [properly appeal to] ignorance).

Try again.

Thanks. It's what I thought .
See wikipedia and this thread for an example where someone says until there is proof of God he doesn't exist.
Other than that I find no claim of proof because of  a sense of evidence.

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Re: Where's the evidence?
« Reply #122 on: August 19, 2017, 08:36:56 AM »
Thanks. It's what I thought .
See wikipedia and this thread for an example where someone says until there is proof of God he doesn't exist.
Someone has said that on this thread?

Who?

Which post(s)?
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Re: Where's the evidence?
« Reply #123 on: August 19, 2017, 10:43:55 AM »
Someone has said that on this thread?

Who?

Which post(s)?
This was declared in reply 30 as of 10.42 Saturday 19th

''The default position is that nothing exists, until you can demonstrate that it does.''

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Re: Where's the evidence?
« Reply #124 on: August 19, 2017, 10:48:43 AM »
What, that he exists? I have related my position. The Christian faith best describes my experience.

And if that is so, how have you benefitted?