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[trippymonkey]

Found this on this site on FB.

Let me explain the real reason why the devil in Judeao-Christianity and Islam is seen as evil. Firstly, he opposes the "über-benevolent" deity of those religions, but their god is a malevolent fuck. Secondly, he rebelled which he couldn't do if you really know the mythology of those dogmas then you know angels have no free will. Rebellion takes an act of will last I checked. Also he represents the personification of all pleasures religions seek to deny. None of that is evil or wrong. But, tyranny is. Omnipotence god possesses not, for if it did then it can lie. If God is capable of lying then how do we know its words are truthful? Then there is Epicurean Dilemma, if you don't know what it is I suggest you look it up.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/Laughingtoourgraves/?multi_permalinks=1937265463214715&notif_t=group_activity&notif_id=1503611413342110

Do please check it out as it's hilarious in so many ways. And is intended to be too.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Found this on this site on FB.

Let me explain the real reason why the devil in Judeao-Christianity and Islam is seen as evil. Firstly, he opposes the "über-benevolent" deity of those religions, but their god is a malevolent fuck. Secondly, he rebelled which he couldn't do if you really know the mythology of those dogmas then you know angels have no free will. Rebellion takes an act of will last I checked. Also he represents the personification of all pleasures religions seek to deny. None of that is evil or wrong. But, tyranny is. Omnipotence god possesses not, for if it did then it can lie. If God is capable of lying then how do we know its words are truthful? Then there is Epicurean Dilemma, if you don't know what it is I suggest you look it up.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/Laughingtoourgraves/?multi_permalinks=1937265463214715&notif_t=group_activity&notif_id=1503611413342110

Do please check it out as it's hilarious in so many ways. And is intended to be too.

The angels in heaven have no free will. But Satan was not in heaven, he was detailed to our universe to which presumably God had added a measure of aseity in which Satan as /caretakerlightbringer had to operate. So the story of Satan is entirely consistent in that respect. You can either take the story as literal, as conveying an important truth about aseity and freewill or both.

We have then the beginning of another antitheists dilemma, that of trying to make God out as so weak and an omnipotent sovereign tyrant at the same time.

[Sebastian Toe]

The angels in heaven have no free will.

Is heaven free of free will?

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Is heaven free of free will?

Good question.
When Jesus talks about the Unforgiveable sin he does talk non specifically of a sin that will not be forgiven in this life OR THE NEXT. So fromthat I think we can draw that there will be free will as the environment allows.

In terms of the angels, given the story of the fall of Satan and references to fallen angels, they are capable of free will but happily work in an environment where they have none.......... a bit like any job really.

[Sebastian Toe]

Good question.
When Jesus talks about the Unforgiveable sin he does talk non specifically of a sin that will not be forgiven in this life OR THE NEXT. So fromthat I think we can draw that there will be free will as the environment allows.

In terms of the angels, given the story of the fall of Satan and references to fallen angels, they are capable of free will but happily work in an environment where they have none.......... a bit like any job really.

Dont you need free will to make a choice though?

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Dont you need free will to make a choice though?

Yes, presumably the angels chose to fall.

[Sebastian Toe]

Yes, presumably the angels chose to fall.

All of them?