My Kingdom is Not of This World

[bluehillside Retd.]

Sparky,

Nearly Sane/ippy/Dicky Underpants/bluehillside...

The science is simple...it's following it where it gets difficult...especially when you have divorced yourselves from Jesus Christ's accurate teaching.

You see...there are 3 key elements that make this science work. The most important is an indestructible, dynamic energy that is so abundant that if you rolled every galaxy out into this raw material there would be enough of it to make all all those atoms and their component parts in the style, shape and form that modern science analyses and tries to interpret.

Then we need 2 dimensions of the universe which are best described as the static...pre-big bang universe...where nothing moved very fast...and also our own, high-speed, expanding dimension, which sprung into action when all that 'dynamic energy' erupted.

Link these two dimensions with black-holes, both on the macro-scale, and the micro-scale, and we finish up with of a rush of this electric plasma, or dynamic energy, building galaxies, stars and atoms at a phenomenal rate and all the Biblical clues suggest Almighty God created this universe by giving this scientific understanding, life, and righteous meaning...and because it all happened millions of light-years ago we know that Almighty God is well versed in the 'word' that Jesus Christ made flesh, and this is why we should pay heed when they talk of serious, impending dangers...which they announced to us well over 2000 years ago.

All of which no doubt makes perfect sense in your head, but only to you. What you were asked for therefore was some working out to validate these extraordinary claims that the entire worlds of physics, cosmology, logic etc seem to have missed. 

You know, just to help you make the case that you aren’t delusional after all.

[Robbie]

NM takes a few things from the Jehovah's Witnesses, but this appears to be one area where he definitely departs from one of their core teachings. Namely, the JWs don't believe hell to be a place of eternal torment (merely non-existence), whereas NM seems to get rather gleeful over the idea of people being roasted.

I don't read him as gleeful - if that is what he believes - more that he is trying to warn people, to save them.  I'd still like him to answer my question.

(Floo, Corrie deals with everyday stuff like:- abortion, varieties of sexual orientation, transgender issues, religion & religious people including a gay vicar, a lesbian Christian, child neglect, PTSD, adultery, disability both physical and learning difficulties, drug abuse, agoraphobia, cancer, kidnapping, violence, murder, robbery, fraud, alcoholism, grooming of vulnerable youngsters for sexual exploitation, police corruption - ooh it gets boring, I can understand why you don't bother.)

[NicholasMarks]

Sparky,

All of which no doubt makes perfect sense in your head, but only to you. What you were asked for therefore was some working out to validate these extraordinary claims that the entire worlds of physics, cosmology, logic etc seem to have missed. 

You know, just to help you make the case that you aren’t delusional after all.

Sorry if you can't see the wonderful logic that makes righteousness, Jesus Christ and Almighty God the most powerful influence in the whole, wide, universe, but I can trace many of the things that are piling up behind your sciences door, which make perfect sense when this knowledge is compared against my own experiences, and what is written in the Holy Bible...especially resurrection, which is so vitally important to us all...but there we go...if you are incapable of seeing how an indestructible energy can be brought into our daily lives via the wonderful teaching of Jesus Christ, then you are certainly not going to make it in the wonderful new heavens and the new Earth, and I'm certainly not going to beg you...simple logic, along with the Gospels should suffice, bluehillside...and you certainly wont kid yourself in at that vital moment.

[NicholasMarks]

I don't read him as gleeful - if that is what he believes - more that he is trying to warn people, to save them.  I'd still like him to answer my question.

(Floo, Corrie deals with everyday stuff like:- abortion, varieties of sexual orientation, transgender issues, religion & religious people including a gay vicar, a lesbian Christian, child neglect, PTSD, adultery, disability both physical and learning difficulties, drug abuse, agoraphobia, cancer, kidnapping, violence, murder, robbery, fraud, alcoholism, grooming of vulnerable youngsters for sexual exploitation, police corruption - ooh it gets boring, I can understand why you don't bother.)

Try reply #52 Robinson...I think that covered all points. Coronation Street was  a front for all energy consuming programs that tell huge porkies to arouse and compel the viewer to waste the vital energy that turns them into couch potatoes and dulls their thinking processes...and this is the starting point of many stress related illnesses...as you almost pointed out.

[NicholasMarks]

I need another paracetamol.
I also need those links I asked you for in post #31, NM.

Try reply #47 Anchorman.

[bluehillside Retd.]

Sparky,

Sorry if you can't see the wonderful logic that makes righteousness, Jesus Christ and Almighty God the most powerful influence in the whole, wide, universe, but I can trace many of the things that are piling up behind your sciences door, which make perfect sense when this knowledge is compared against my own experiences, and what is written in the Holy Bible...especially resurrection, which is so vitally important to us all...but there we go...if you are incapable of seeing how an indestructible energy can be brought into our daily lives via the wonderful teaching of Jesus Christ, then you are certainly not going to make it in the wonderful new heavens and the new Earth, and I'm certainly not going to beg you...simple logic, along with the Gospels should suffice, bluehillside...and you certainly wont kid yourself in at that vital moment.

Ah but I’m not incapable of that at all old son. All I’m asking you for is even a jot of a scintilla of a smidgin of a reason to think that you’re right – you know, some logic, some evidence, some working out, some anything other than your personal assertions on the matter.

Is that so unreasonable?

[Anchorman]

Try reply #47 Anchorman.

Did that.
Still not seeing any links with evidence to verify your position.

[Sebastian Toe]

Try reply #52 Robinson...I think that covered all points. Coronation Street was  a front for all energy consuming programs that tell huge porkies to arouse and compel the viewer to waste the vital energy that turns them into couch potatoes and dulls their thinking processes...

...looks to me like you have been binge watching Corrie, very recently!

[Robbie]

Try reply #52 Robinson...I think that covered all points. Coronation Street was  a front for all energy consuming programs that tell huge porkies to arouse and compel the viewer to waste the vital energy that turns them into couch potatoes and dulls their thinking processes...and this is the starting point of many stress related illnesses...as you almost pointed out.

Whatever you say Babe.

[Walter]

I thought I had answered these points in various different ways Anchorman...but here goes again...

The solar system is a minute detail in a much greater universe and Almighty God created the lot...but what did he use?? Well, there is a willing candidate...a superabundant, indestructible, highly malleable, dynamic energy, or, God's mighty and powerful force, as identified in Isaiah 40:26 when God  said 'look into the heavens who made these?' You see, we want to satisfy science as well as doubting Thomas' and this is how God, describes this raw material...which Jesus, being the 'word' of God made flesh, teaches us about, and how we can interact with it under the heading of God's fountain of living waters.

Now, what I do remember touching upon was that it isn't my teaching that millions have latched on to, it is Jesus Christ's teaching, and I am just another one of those with a slightly more modern take on the subject.

the words 'force' and 'energy ' are not interchangeable , they do not mean the same thing. Thought you would've known that, what with all that scientific knowledge you've got from the bible.

[floo]

The Bible is not a book of scientific documents, however much NM would like to believe it is.

[Anchorman]

Yep, floo - and 99% of Christians would agree with your last statement.

[NicholasMarks]

Yep, floo - and 99% of Christians would agree with your last statement.

In the beginning, God Created the heavens and the Earth...now the Earth and the heavens proved to be full of science...so...who used science to create it with??

Hmmm...we had better go back to the Holy Bible because, it seems, if we read the Biblical evidence, laid out in Isaiah, he used his mighty power and an awful lot of dynamic energy to do it so that science is contained in his 'word' and Jesus is that 'word' made flesh and we will all require to be obedient to that word because the science of salvation won't work without it.

Don't take my word for it...follow Jesus' righteous teaching, accurately, and prove it for yourselves, because I don't want anyone weeping and gnashing their teeth on my shift.

 

[Walter]

In the beginning, God Created the heavens and the Earth...now the Earth and the heavens proved to be full of science...so...who used science to create it with??

Hmmm...we had better go back to the Holy Bible because, it seems, if we read the Biblical evidence, laid out in Isaiah, he used his mighty power and an awful lot of dynamic energy to do it so that science is contained in his 'word' and Jesus is that 'word' made flesh and we will all require to be obedient to that word because the science of salvation won't work without it.

Don't take my word for it...follow Jesus' righteous teaching, accurately, and prove it for yourselves, because I don't want anyone weeping and gnashing their teeth on my shift.

I think ill be okay mate but thanks for caring.

[NicholasMarks]

I think ill be okay mate but thanks for caring.

It would be ok Walter, if some of those who don't want saving didn't think they had a right to ensure others, who might be quite eligible for salvation, are fed a deluge of anti-Christian material to sway them into the fiery lake of sulphur which the disobedient actually embrace.

Its an old war crime, isn't it, where the evil ensconce themselves in the mass of the innocent and dare the invaders to attack them,. I remember Saddam Hussein using it.

Still, I'm sure the science of righteousness will cream off those who are prepared to listen to the scientific evidence gleaned from the Holy Bible.

 

[floo]

In the beginning, God Created the heavens and the Earth...now the Earth and the heavens proved to be full of science...so...who used science to create it with??

Hmmm...we had better go back to the Holy Bible because, it seems, if we read the Biblical evidence, laid out in Isaiah, he used his mighty power and an awful lot of dynamic energy to do it so that science is contained in his 'word' and Jesus is that 'word' made flesh and we will all require to be obedient to that word because the science of salvation won't work without it.

Don't take my word for it...follow Jesus' righteous teaching, accurately, and prove it for yourselves, because I don't want anyone weeping and gnashing their teeth on my shift.

NM you don't seem to have a clue about 'science'. Jesus wouldn't have had any knowledge of it either.

[NicholasMarks]

NM you don't seem to have a clue about 'science'. Jesus wouldn't have had any knowledge of it either.

Ahh...but Jesus wasn't from this world...so to get here he knew a little more about science than you give him credit for Floo. This is what I'm trying to tell you...that written into God's 'word'...brought to us in the flesh by Jesus Christ, is a science of enormous proportions, and it all starts with the superabundance of a wonderful, dynamic energy, of which, those saved into the new heavens and the new Earth, will embrace with all their hearts, via righteous worship to our benefactors, just as the angels in Heaven do already.

[floo]

Ahh...but Jesus wasn't from this world...so to get here he knew a little more about science than you give him credit for Floo. This is what I'm trying to tell you...that written into God's 'word'...brought to us in the flesh by Jesus Christ, is a science of enormous proportions, and it all starts with the superabundance of a wonderful, dynamic energy, of which, those saved into the new heavens and the new Earth, will embrace with all their hearts, via righteous worship to our benefactors, just as the angels in Heaven do already.

Jesus was a flawed human just like you and me, it was the gospel writers who tried to recreate him into a god.

[NicholasMarks]

Jesus was a flawed human just like you and me, it was the gospel writers who tried to recreate him into a god.

Ohhh...Floo...you've got it all wrong...no wonder you don't believe in him or what others have influenced his word to mean which is something else entirely.

First of all Jesus was made perfect...that is perfect in body and spirit...this is the only interpretation of being born without sin. So he is a good act to follow if we want to cure ourselves of our own genetic impediments, which lie behind all the influences in our life, including our medical needs, which we must continue with, whilst also following a path that will give us the emotional strength to see things clearer, and in so doing, a huge weight lifts off our emotions and if you remember what Robinson told you, much of our emotional weight comes from false stimulus like media sources and dangerous propaganda. Then you have made a start in becoming less damaged internally and more able to become righteous and this excites a science which Jesus Christ taught us all about....because...well...He isn't from this world...but he does represents the owner of it...Almighty God.

[Anchorman]

In the beginning, God Created the heavens and the Earth...now the Earth and the heavens proved to be full of science...so...who used science to create it with??

Hmmm...we had better go back to the Holy Bible because, it seems, if we read the Biblical evidence, laid out in Isaiah, he used his mighty power and an awful lot of dynamic energy to do it so that science is contained in his 'word' and Jesus is that 'word' made flesh and we will all require to be obedient to that word because the science of salvation won't work without it.

Don't take my word for it...follow Jesus' righteous teaching, accurately, and prove it for yourselves, because I don't want anyone weeping and gnashing their teeth on my shift.

 

NM:
I've asked you for links to those who support your views - which are  NOT either Christian or bear any relationshi to any reliable translation of Scripture.
You have provided none.
I've asked you for links to this 'planrt' or 'solar system' which you claim is going to collide with us.
Again, no links.
Your witterings are nice as fantasy, I suppose, but there is no - repeat no- basis either in science or, for that matter, in Scripture.
Please supply the aforementioned links - and don't just refer me to a bible verse, please: I have eight translations sitting in front of me now....none of which is the NWT, which has the benefit of being excellebt cat litter.
Thanks.

[NicholasMarks]

NM:
I've asked you for links to those who support your views - which are  NOT either Christian or bear any relationshi to any reliable translation of Scripture.
You have provided none.
I've asked you for links to this 'planrt' or 'solar system' which you claim is going to collide with us.
Again, no links.
Your witterings are nice as fantasy, I suppose, but there is no - repeat no- basis either in science or, for that matter, in Scripture.
Please supply the aforementioned links - and don't just refer me to a bible verse, please: I have eight translations sitting in front of me now....none of which is the NWT, which has the benefit of being excellebt cat litter.
Thanks.

And so Anchorman, you totally disregard Jesus' teaching of love they neighbour...or even, love thy enemy...we aren't doing very well are we??

The whole universe gives praise to Almighty God's handiwork...filled with science...but you prefer to divorce God from that science...but only because your scientists tell you to...so, who are you listening to, The combined work of God and Jesus Christ or man...who has a vested interest in you not listening to our deity, too strongly.

If you listen to the 'word' of Jesus accurately you will hear all sorts of wonders about this planet and the universe and you will know you are in safe hands when you truly worship the word that Jesus lived and died for...but you need your confirmation from others and not from Jesus who has promised to save you if  you accept his word. Now you could do that alone...you don't need me or iniquity...just the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ which will grow and grow until you have full righteous truth...isn't that what Jesus told you as well.

   

[Anchorman]

And so Anchorman, you totally disregard Jesus' teaching of love they neighbour...or even, love thy enemy...we aren't doing very well are we??

The whole universe gives praise to Almighty God's handiwork...filled with science...but you prefer to divorce God from that science...but only because your scientists tell you to...so, who are you listening to, The combined work of God and Jesus Christ or man...who has a vested interest in you not listening to our deity, too strongly.

If you listen to the 'word' of Jesus accurately you will here all sorts of wonders about this planet and the universe and you will know you are in safe hands when you truly worship the word that Jesus lived and died for...but you need your confirmation from others and not from Jesus who has promised to save you if  you accept his word. Now you could do that alone...you don't need me or iniquity...just the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ which will grow and grow until you have full righteous truth...isn't that what Jesus told you as well.

   

I asked for links outside Scripture to provide evidence for your assertion, NM; not more wittering.
Having failed to provide such links, we are therefore able to dismiss your claims of pseudoscience, planetary collision, 'dynamic energy', etc, as unsubstantiated.
Thanks.

[floo]

Ohhh...Floo...you've got it all wrong...no wonder you don't believe in him or what others have influenced his word to mean which is something else entirely.

First of all Jesus was made perfect...that is perfect in body and spirit...this is the only interpretation of being born without sin. So he is a good act to follow if we want to cure ourselves of our own genetic impediments, which lie behind all the influences in our life, including our medical needs, which we must continue with, whilst also following a path that will give us the emotional strength to see things clearer, and in so doing, a huge weight lifts off our emotions and if you remember what Robinson told you, much of our emotional weight comes from false stimulus like media sources and dangerous propaganda. Then you have made a start in becoming less damaged internally and more able to become righteous and this excites a science which Jesus Christ taught us all about....because...well...He isn't from this world...but he does represents the owner of it...Almighty God.

A perfect person doesn't cause their parents worry by not telling them when he was a kid he was off to the Temple. A perfect person doesn't trash a Temple. A perfect person doesn't frighten a herd of pigs over a cliff when playing silly exorcism hocus pocus. A perfect person doesn't tell people to leave their responsibilities and become his followers. Jesus was far from perfect, but then he was a human, no sort of god. But compared to the evil god featured in the Bible, all humans wear halos, even the worst of us!

[NicholasMarks]

I asked for links outside Scripture to provide evidence for your assertion, NM; not more wittering.
Having failed to provide such links, we are therefore able to dismiss your claims of pseudoscience, planetary collision, 'dynamic energy', etc, as unsubstantiated.
Thanks.

You are free to do precisely that Anchorman...I have simply presented a deep and meaningful account of how the universe came into existence in such a way as to satisfy science and satisfy the Holy Bible and especially the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ. Now science says all things must unify and that everything is energy...I'm just pointing them in the right direction...with or without your support...but reconcile this for me...Almighty God says he has always been and always will be. Science says there was absolutely nothing and that nothing lived on a pin-prick sized nothing, and it erupted into everything.

[bluehillside Retd.]

Sparky,

I have simply presented a deep and meaningful account of how the universe came into existence in such a way as to satisfy science and satisfy the Holy Bible and especially the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ.

No you haven’t. What you’ve actually done is asserted the argument- and evidence-free musings of a confused and narcissistic mind -  no more, no less.