Designer Of The Earth - Immediate SACKING ?!?!?!?

[SusanDoris]

I don't think so.

Whatever caused human beings is responsible for what human beings do, if Floo is going to reason in the way she is, otherwise she is just being inconsistent.

good gracious! Are we seeing SotS actually acknowledging the Theory of Evolution?

Alternatively, she can grow up and take some responsibility for her actions ...

But here we are back to the implication that of course he, SotS, is in a privileged position because he believes he is closer to the myth called God and therefore believes he has a better understanding of how humans are.

[jeremyp]

Maybe the planet is trying to shock us all out of our unbelievable complacency over our treatment of it:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaia_hypothesis

The planet has no consciousness. God doesn't exist. All of these natural disasters are just the way of the Universe (OK, so the hurricanes may well have some human input).

[floo]

I wonder how many weather related natural disasters it will take before people, like Trump, who are in denial about global warming, will get real and realise human activity is having an impact?

[Nearly Sane]

I wonder how many weather related natural disasters it will take before people, like Trump, who are in denial about global warming, will get real and realise human activity is having an impact?

How many weather events should it take to show human activity having an effect on climate?

[floo]

How many weather events should it take to show human activity having an effect on climate?

I would have thought these recent terrible hurricanes might have got people like Trump thinking, but I guess not.

[Humph Warden Bennett]

I would have thought that if anybody deserved sacking it should be the designer of Venus.

[Nearly Sane]

I would have thought these recent terrible hurricanes might have got people like Trump thinking, but I guess not.

Individual weather events even groups of them won't work as arguments. Indeed I suspect they will work as part of the Dunning Kruger effect to confirm that climate change is wrong. Rather as they work for you to confirm that anthropogenic climate change is right despite that being a non rational approach


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect

[jeremyp]

How many weather events should it take to show human activity having an effect on climate?

That's actually a very good question.

In fact, it is impossible to say any particular weather event is down to climate change. Even a cluster of three hurricanes isn't really evidence.

What is good evidence of climate change is the observed fact that the climate is changing. For example global sea temperature is rising extremely fast.

Update this was posted before I read your most recent post.

[floo]

There seems to be quite a lot of evidence global warming due to human activity is affecting our weather, and warming up the Arctic and Antarctic oceans. Surely it is sensible to try to do something about it, if possible, before it is too late, even if we haven't definite proof of manmade global warming. By the time verifiable evidence is available future generations might be cursing us for not having prevented it whilst we still could do so.

[Walter]

Individual weather events even groups of them won't work as arguments. Indeed I suspect they will work as part of the Dunning Kruger effect to confirm that climate change is wrong. Rather as they work for you to confirm that anthropogenic climate change is right despite that being a non rational approach


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect

Dunning and Kruger don't know what they're talking about.

[Walter]

That's actually a very good question.

In fact, it is impossible to say any particular weather event is down to climate change. Even a cluster of three hurricanes isn't really evidence.

What is good evidence of climate change is the observed fact that the climate is changing. For example global sea temperature is rising extremely fast.

Update this was posted before I read your most recent post.

to deny the evidence is ridiculous however there are some people who don't really care , I'm one of 'em!

[Udayana]

Dunning and Kruger don't know what they're talking about.

Very good. 

[Udayana]

to deny the evidence is ridiculous however there are some people who don't really care , I'm one of 'em!

Am sure you are not unique in that. Possibly it could be the explanation behind the Fermi paradox.

[Walter]

Am sure you are not unique in that. Possibly it could be the explanation behind the Fermi paradox.

wasn't aware the Fermi paradox was concerned with climate change ?

[Udayana]

Not climate change per se. But I would not be surprised if advanced societies all reached a point where they no longer cared about the effects of their own technology on the future of their environment or about their long term survival.

If so they would tend to become extinct prior to contact with civilisations in other systems.

[Walter]

Not climate change per se. But I would not be surprised if advanced societies all reached a point where they no longer cared about the effects of their own technology on the future of their environment or about their long term survival.

If so they would tend to become extinct prior to contact with civilisations in other systems.

an excellent point. I would also like to think they didn't or don't have to contend with ridiculous religious views as we do here which has slowed down scientific discoveries by hundreds of years in our case. 

[Shaker]

an excellent point. I would also like to think they didn't or don't have to contend with ridiculous religious views as we do here which has slowed down scientific discoveries by hundreds of years in our case.

Odd that you invoke religion against the scientific discoveries you purport not to care about.

[Walter]

Odd that you invoke religion against the scientific discoveries you purport not to care about.

where did I say that? Perhaps I didn't make myself clear. What I meant was, I don't care about is global climate change

[Shaker]

where did I say that? Perhaps I didn't make myself clear. What I meant was, I don't care about is global climate change

... which we know about only through the researches of the various scientific disciplines that apply.

[Walter]

... which we know about only through the researches of the various scientific disciplines that apply.

yes I know . Phew! This is becoming too complicated to carry on with

[Outrider]

where did I say that? Perhaps I didn't make myself clear. What I meant was, I don't care about is global climate change

Why? This is going to cause massive disruption and harm to millions, perhaps billions, of people around the globe in the coming decades - I can understand 'I don't know what to do about it', I can understand 'I can't make a difference', but I fail to understand 'I don't care'.

O.

[floo]

Why? This is going to cause massive disruption and harm to millions, perhaps billions, of people around the globe in the coming decades - I can understand 'I don't know what to do about it', I can understand 'I can't make a difference', but I fail to understand 'I don't care'.

O.

No doubt if destructive climate change starts to affect them in a disastrous way they would begin to care!

[Shaker]

No doubt if destructive climate change starts to affect them in a disastrous way they would begin to care!

It would be nice if people didn't leave it to that point. Given the inherent stupidity, selfishness and short-termism of most people, however, It's going to be the stick rather than the carrot for H. sapiens.

[floo]

It would be nice if people didn't leave it to that point. Given the inherent stupidity, selfishness and short-termism of most people, however, It's going to be the stick rather than the carrot for H. sapiens.

Agreed.

[Walter]

Why? This is going to cause massive disruption and harm to millions, perhaps billions, of people around the globe in the coming decades - I can understand 'I don't know what to do about it', I can understand 'I can't make a difference', but I fail to understand 'I don't care'.

O.

perhaps you could look at it this way; if half the worlds population were to be no longer there it would be so much better for those who remain